Travis
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Post by Travis on Sept 12, 2021 18:36:52 GMT -8
In 1976 I was still packing an aluminum canteen in an outside pocket of my Kelty external-frame pack.
(Ahem, no comment on the bluejeans.  )
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Sept 13, 2021 4:39:21 GMT -8
Reminds me of the now old George Thorogood song modified for this thread ..
I hike alone, yeah With nobody else I hike alone, yeah With nobody else Yeah, you know when I hike alone I prefer to be by myself
The original ‘80s video ..
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balzaccom
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Post by balzaccom on Sept 13, 2021 5:53:29 GMT -8
Back when Rock & Rollers sang about...hiking?
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Sept 13, 2021 8:25:12 GMT -8
I don't see how there can be a single answer on this topic. I backpack both with others and solo, and for myself I don't take bigger risks either way -- I've learned that pain hurts, and death is probably worse, so I try to be prudent and cautious always. If anything, being out with those with more experience could lead me into situations I didn't realize were as risky as they are, because my hiking partners are saying, "Oh, come on, this is easy." But known risks I try to set prudent limits -- I really don't need a selfie hanging off a cliff.
And it's not as though I'm really wanting to take those risks and just have to find a way to restrain myself, it's my general comfort level and appreciation for the survival instinct.
But as others have said, stuff happens. I do love going up high, and all it takes sometimes is a loose rock, a root or hole, getting a little dizzy, snapping a trekking pole, letting your mind wander at the wrong split-second, startling wildlife, something bad you ate, running out of water, etc. And you could argue that hiking with others increases these risks -- that's twice as many foot-plants per mile, twice the chance for someone to get sick, twice as many ankles to snap, twice the ground space a widowmaker needs to fall in to earn its name. So I don't see hiking with more people as necessarily safer.
The safety of hiking with others depends on who that is. Huge difference if I go out with three friends who have far more experience backpacking and we're going someplace they have been many times but I haven't vs. going out with one inexperienced friend who is totally relying on me to get them out and back safely. It sounds great to say if there are two people and one gets hurt the other can go for help, but is that really the case? In a situation where I'm out with someone inexperienced, if they get hurt would they really let me leave them alone, and could I bring myself to do it? Or possibly even worse, if I get hurt would I send that person to get help with a high chance of them getting lost or hurt on their now solo trek? And if they make it to civilization and get help, will they know how to get back to where I am?
As much as I dislike relying on electronics, I think the best answer for safety is a PLB or satellite communicator. No one has to leave and incur further risk, no fraught decisions under high stress among only-bad options. True that you can be knocked unconscious or stuck in a deep canyon or other circumstance where you might not be able to hit the SOS button or the signal may not go through, but to me it still represents the best first option to consider. Each situation is unique so there isn't a blanket answer, but that is my default.
So generally if there must be an answer to the topic I would say to establish your own comfort level about risk and safety and stick to it whether you are solo or with others.
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Post by hikinggods on Sept 13, 2021 18:34:47 GMT -8
I just got back from a short 3 day backpacking trip in the northern Weminuche. I ran into a lot of thru hikers doing the Colorado Trail, and had some nice mini-conversations in passing. And met several women day hikers near the start and finish of the hike who asked "aren't you scared". And I asked What would I be scared OF? They always said: Animals or People. And no, I don't worry about those. What I would worry about is injury or a fall, but not too worried. I am very conservative when alone. I make sure I know exactly where I am, avoid risks--if I go off trail it isn't for very long, or anywhere too challenging. Just stay mostly within my comfort range. I have a map/compass. No GPS, no PLB, and I'm good with that. For the first time ever, I brought a cell phone, but never actually had a signal, anyway. It does take nice photos! 
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 14, 2021 7:59:44 GMT -8
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Sept 14, 2021 9:42:42 GMT -8
Yikes, he looks like something out of a horror movie...
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Post by cweston on Sept 15, 2021 10:00:34 GMT -8
...And met several women day hikers near the start and finish of the hike who asked "aren't you scared". And I asked What would I be scared OF? They always said: Animals or People. FWIW, if I were worried about a creep sneaking up on me (which I do not worry about at all--I don;t see a lot of other people on most of my BPing trips), it would be much more likely to happen when I'm with a partner, because we might be talking. Whereas, when solo, one is much more attuned to the sounds in the environment. The creep would have to be very stealthy.
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Post by hikinggods on Sept 15, 2021 18:43:21 GMT -8
I can't say I worry about anyone trying to sneak up on me either. And good point: when you are alone you are a lot more tuned in to your surroundings, sounds, etc. I certainly feel a lot safer than I would alone in any major city.
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Post by ecocentric on Sept 16, 2021 17:58:36 GMT -8
The only place I've had creeps sneak into my camp was in Tennessee, camped on the Big South Fork, I didn't go to any trouble to make them unwelcome, but they left quickly enough. As for hiking alone, it is as natural as swimming 'nekid', I don't do it all the time, but it is special. ;-)
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Post by tigger on Sept 17, 2021 7:28:44 GMT -8
Solo hiking - Something I wrestle with often when hiking. I always do "extreme" hiking (off-trail in rough terrain). When I go solo, I try and pick safer routes in general. I have a more strictly followed route that I follow, and share my intended route with my spouse before venturing out. Equipment-wise, I always have and will triple check my gear/gear list before I go out. Shelter, sleeping, clothing, Navigation, food, communication/electronics, and first aid. I have backups of just about everything and any hike, can handle weather of any extreme from cold/rain/heat. When solo, I bring my bivy as backup, radio (in case I become a SAR victim, and hike up to nearby ridges to communicate my camp's coordinates to my spouse each night. There are a few things I'd like to get, Communication/PLB, but haven't...yet. Otherwise, honestly I feel pretty damn confident. I am very comfortable hiking in unknown terrain and prefer it. It is tough finding hiking partners that like to go where others haven't or rarely been. All that said, I definitely prefer to have a partner when possible and find it a smarter thing to do when possible. Life is about a balance of risk/reward which I think has been alluded to over and over again in this discussion. Getting cocky or just being inexperienced and thinking you have this handled or that as long as the weather is perfect, you'll be fine will get folk in big trouble.
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 17, 2021 8:12:00 GMT -8
I bring my bivy as backup, radio (in case I become a SAR victim, and hike up to nearby ridges to communicate my camp's coordinates to my spouse each night. Being a ham I am curious about what kind of radio?
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Post by driftwoody on Sept 17, 2021 8:48:29 GMT -8
If you fall and hurt yourself, a second person can go for help. Other then that, I don't think solo hiking is inherently more dangerous. That's my take as well. I used to backpack mostly solo but now that I'm in my 60's I prefer to have a partner, especially in more remote areas.
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Post by tigger on Sept 17, 2021 10:03:38 GMT -8
Being a ham I am curious about what kind of radio? I bring a standard two-way radio that I put on scan, but is parked on channel 9, 11. It is often the channel used by SAR in our area. I have helped a few lost skiers/hikers with it in the past.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 17, 2021 11:47:50 GMT -8
I bring a standard two-way radio that I put on scan, but is parked on channel 9, 11. It is often the channel used by SAR in our area. I have helped a few lost skiers/hikers with it in the past. FRS/GRMS radio or CB? Just as a FYI I have been carrying my Yaesu VX-6R. It is fully submersible waterproof and does 2m, 1.25m, 70cm transmit. Those are the most common frequencies for local repeaters but can also be used direct radio to radio. It receives air, marine, AM, FM, shortwave and NOAA weather radio. I have heard from rangers that they used to sometimes carry radios that civilians might carry but now they just just their trunked emergency services radios (police/fire/EMS). I have a radio in the van that conceivably I could park somewhere high and act as a local repeater for 2m, 1.25m or 70cm. I not really ever used them for emergency use but have gotten training how to.
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