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Post by trinity on Sept 6, 2021 11:51:37 GMT -8
I have no idea how the Neoairs would score so apparently I was just blowing smoke into a mattress, not really seeing if any fumes leaked out.  All I have is anecdotal impressions as well, but the only Neoair I feel I have seen a lot of complaints about with leaks is the Uberlight. They may have pushed the ultralight envelope a little too far with that one. Our household has owned 4 Neoairs, an X-light, an X-therm, and 2 Trekkers. My wife's Trekker blew a baffle after 4 or 5 years. A bummer to be sure, but Thermarest gave her a credit for the full amount she had originally paid. Backpacking with any inflatable pad is going to come with a certain level of risk of puncture, delamination, blown baffle, etc. To me, that risk is worth it for the increase in comfort over closed cell foam. YMMV. |
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Post by bradmacmt on Sept 6, 2021 13:40:27 GMT -8
Yeah, the most complaints I see are about the Uberlite.
But I'd add, probably the reason you "may" see more complaints about any Neoair (I'd still put that down to WAGing) is because there are likely 2-10 times more Neoair's out there than any other make. Math and all...
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Post by franco on Sept 6, 2021 18:23:09 GMT -8
Yeah, the most complaints I see are about the Uberlite. But I'd add, probably the reason you "may" see more complaints about any Neoair (I'd still put that down to WAGing) is because there are likely 2-10 times more Neoair's out there than any other make. Math and all... I remember in the 80s there was a camera that had a bad reputation for the amount of g/tee repairs it had. So I checked those figures, turns out that in percentage it was at around the industry avarage for an SLR. At one point about 50% of all SLRs sold in Australia were that model so yes of course we saw more of those coming back for repair than any other model. Of course I don't know if this is the case with mats but it could be. |
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Post by muleman on Sept 7, 2021 6:37:37 GMT -8
Sixty years of backpacking, we have gone from sleeping on the ground, to Ensolite, to Thermarests, to sleeping on Big Agnes to a Nemo. The Nemo is light comfortable and provides good insulation down to about 15 degrees.
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Post by bradmacmt on Sept 7, 2021 6:44:55 GMT -8
At one point about 50% of all SLRs sold in Australia were that model Franco, do you mind revealing the make/model of that SLR? I'm curious because I "lived" with a Nikon FM through the entire decade of the 80's. It was, and still is, a reliable beast up to any and all abuse. |
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Post by franco on Sept 7, 2021 14:42:43 GMT -8
It was the Olympus OM10. Keep in mind that it was a comment about the Australian sales not worldwide. For different reasons some brands or specific models can do much better in one country than they do on average in others. (from memory , the OM10 was at a very good price point at the time) The Nikon FM was indeed reliable but the first few production runs had a problem with a tiny double exposure prevention lever that had to be replaced. It was fixed later on. (I had that done on mine)  |
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Post by bradmacmt on Sept 7, 2021 14:58:52 GMT -8
Franco, I didn't get my FM til' 1982 so assuming the lever was the re-designed on mine since the FM came out in 1977 (IIRC)?
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Post by davesenesac on Sept 8, 2021 8:17:58 GMT -8
Last few years, Thermarest Z-Lite foam pad. After a decade of various inflatable pads that all annoyingly eventually leaked, went back to foam. Also did not like the even pressure against my back for same reason I never liked water beds. Note also bring along a 14x9x2 inch foam pad just for my hips.
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Post by rebeccad on Sept 8, 2021 14:01:57 GMT -8
franco, the OM1 was my go-to camera before going digital (and after getting married; before that, I was using an Argus C-30 from 1950). One of the reasons I liked it was that there was very little to go wrong on it; it seemed like all the cameras with more electronics had far more issues, at least for outdoor photography.
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Post by franco on Sept 8, 2021 16:04:23 GMT -8
many of the early OM fans did not think of the double digit versions (10/20/30/40) as true OM cameras.
They were budget versions and I always suspected that were made by a different company ( Cosina).
The single digit version had a lot of problems with the OM 4 and yes it had to do with the circuitry in those.
I met the designer of most of those cameras, Yoshihisa Maitani, the M in OM.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 9, 2021 7:11:53 GMT -8
I recently have been exploring my new Warbonnet hammock system. I popped for the Wooki under quilt but have only gotten to use it one night so far. Wetness with that is my concern not punctures.
My system for the ground is a Nemo switchback and a very old 3/4 "Ultralight" Thermarest on top of it. I have gotten a small hole in it ages ago but I would rate it very tough but heavy. I like having the near indestructible Nemo as a safety net. It also smooths the ground so that the relatively thin Thermarest is very comfy.
I have hesitated on getting something new because of things like reported noise, fragility and expense. Since I only go for shorter trips and not very frequently the upgrade price might be the biggest issue. For now the hammock has made the upgrade moot.
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Post by zeke on Sept 9, 2021 7:20:46 GMT -8
ErnieW To keep the underquilt and hammock dry, all you need is a tarp to cover the entire thing. If you don't have one yet, I may be able to part with a 10 x 12 silnylon.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 9, 2021 7:44:48 GMT -8
ErnieW To keep the underquilt and hammock dry, all you need is a tarp to cover the entire thing. If you don't have one yet, I may be able to part with a 10 x 12 silnylon. I also got the Warbonnet Mamajama (I took trinity's advice). The tarp is a necessary part of the system. I have come to love having a light strong tarp like that. I sometimes bring it on day hikes. I added drip lines to the hammock straps and have used it out in the poring rain but not yet with the underquilt. I have a double layer and was using my Nemo switchback with it. The texturing of the Nemo between the two layers made nice insulating airspace but is too fussy positioning-wise. The underquilt is much easier.
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Post by driftwoody on Sept 11, 2021 17:15:54 GMT -8
Having slept the last 3 nites on my Exped Synmat UL 9 in my SMD Lunar Solo (both of which I like) confirmed my preference for hanging in my Warbonnet hammock system. You don't need to find level ground; setting up the tarp first provides a shelter; and staying off the ground keeps everything else clean & dry. I also sleep more comfortably in my Blackbird XLC.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 11, 2021 19:45:38 GMT -8
I also sleep more comfortably in my Blackbird XLC. Maybe once I get more experienced this won't be the case but I find setting up harder but breakdown easier. Sort of the opposite of tenting for me. My hammock is very comfortable but my brain and body have to learn that sleep-wise. In my tent on my pad I can get into positions similar to my bed to fall asleep. In the hammock I can't quite get in those positions. I am not a on my back sleeper. The first night in the hammock I hardly slept at all. Now after several nights out in it I am getting better at falling and staying asleep. I am liking that I don't ever have a rock or root poking me or constantly sliding slightly downhill. |
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