ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 10, 2021 22:04:52 GMT -8
One of the more important tools for dealing with my canister stove is: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00U2EE6M2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1You can (and should) Google how to use it and safety considerations. Being able to top back off the small canisters from big ones is great.
EDIT: Also this well made. It feels like a little jewel when I hold it in my hand. FYI I bring my small MSR cans up to 113g. Don't overfill. There has to be some gas space for expansion or the can may rupture. Gas is compressible. Liquid fuel is not and without some compressible gas space will exert a large force on the can when it warms up.
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 11, 2021 16:25:34 GMT -8
I assume you're talking about the Jetboil Stash in this review. The stove/pot/lid/combo weighs 7.2 ounces, whereas my new kit weighs 9.35 ounces. If money were no object the Jetboil wins, but it costs twice what I paid.
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Post by bradmacmt on Mar 12, 2021 6:38:51 GMT -8
Hi Driftwoody, here are a couple of my Jetboils. The Sol Ti and Sol Al. At the same boil time the Olicamp pot and my MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe uses more fuel. Obviously if you slow down the boil time you use less fuel. I like the Olicamp pot, I just think it's too heavy. But I'm still experimenting with Ti pots, other stoves, and homemade windscreens to find "the perfect canister cook system"... as an earlier poster remarked, "everyone needs a hobby." Apparently this is my hill to die on this particular year year
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Post by bradmacmt on Mar 12, 2021 6:58:25 GMT -8
Can you provide a link to that product? I thought you were making a joke, I now realize you misunderstand... "pulls away" is a horse racing term... ie, the jetboil "pulls away from the pack" on longer trips over other stove/pot combos for fuel miserliness/boil speed which can offset it's heavier weight.
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 12, 2021 7:02:10 GMT -8
Can you provide a link to that product? I thought you were making a joke, I now realize you misunderstand... "pulls away" is a horse racing term... ie, the jetboil "pulls away from the pack" on longer trips over other stove/pot combos for fuel miserliness/boil speed which can offset it's heavier weight. I just wanted to be sure which specific Jetboil product you were citing. I'm pretty sure they have more than one.
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Post by turley on Mar 12, 2021 8:38:17 GMT -8
The Jetboil system(s) are very good and efficient for boiling water and I used one many years ago but found I preferred drinking out of a SP Ti 600ml mug better. Now I use this setup: SP 600ml Ti Mug (2.8oz), Four Dog Ti Lid (0.6oz), SP LiteMax Ti Stove (2oz), MYOG windscreen made from disposable aluminum cookie sheet (0.5oz)....so roughly 6oz total. For many trips I use this setup but with a Esbit Stove vs Canister Stove.
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Post by bradmacmt on Mar 12, 2021 8:47:19 GMT -8
The Jetboil system(s) are very good and efficient for boiling water and I used one many years ago but found I preferred drinking out of a SP Ti 600ml mug better. Now I use this setup: SP 600ml Ti Mug (2.8oz), Four Dog Ti Lid (0.6oz), SP LiteMax Ti Stove (2oz), MYOG windscreen made from disposable aluminum cookie sheet (0.5oz)....so roughly 6oz total. For many trips I use this setup but with a Esbit Stove vs Canister Stove. I'm still in testing stages, but what I've found is the smaller the diameter pot the lower the boil efficiency, both in terms of speed and fuel consumption. I have a Snow Peak Ti Mini Solo set with a pot dia of 3.75, and also have larger diameter base pots 4-5+ inches. Those are more efficient. Barring a heat exchanger which changes the equation, I think a good starting point is a base diameter of no less than 4.5". As I say, I'm still in the testing phase. I plan to check boil times vs. fuel consumed, as well as controlled indoor wind tests with a measured, consistent speed. Of course, temps will have to be controlled, both ambient and H20. So many stoves and pots, so little time (or some would say, "small things for small minds.")
Would also add, unlike you, I carry both a cook pot and separate mug. I far and away will pay a weight penalty to have the two separate. Obviously this is a HYOH thing.
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Post by tomas on Mar 12, 2021 9:53:42 GMT -8
Would also add, unlike you, I carry both a cook pot and separate mug. I far and away will pay a weight penalty to have the two separate. Same with me. I love being able to drink a cup of coffee in the morning or broth in the evening while the pot is boiling up my meal.
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Post by turley on Mar 12, 2021 10:48:54 GMT -8
I normally boil water and add to the meal and while it’s sitting I boil again and then use the mug for coffee/tea/ect... I guess the beauty is choices and what we each individually find that which works for us :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 5:02:02 GMT -8
Would also add, unlike you, I carry both a cook pot and separate mug. I far and away will pay a weight penalty to have the two separate. Same with me. I love being able to drink a cup of coffee in the morning or broth in the evening while the pot is boiling up my meal. For me - this is one of those things that is worth the convenience, over shaving grams.
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 31, 2021 15:28:03 GMT -8
I'd like to hear how this goes for you after your first trip with it. I used my new setup two cold nights in Kentucky Sunday & Monday this week. No scientific testing, but I will say the water in the pot boiled a lot faster than I'm used to. In the past I always fired up the stove first, then started getting everything else ready to receive the boiled water. Now I do that in reverse order because the water was ready before I was. Mostly I'm glad the new setup worked fine with no glitches. It wasn't very windy, so the screen wasn't put to much of a test on that score.
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Post by gabby on Mar 31, 2021 18:05:55 GMT -8
In the past I always fired up the stove first, then started getting everything else ready to receive the boiled water. Now I do that in reverse order because the water was ready before I was.
| Thanks for the report, driftwoody . I figured you'd get just about what I get with my Primus HX pots, though they're older and heavier than the XTS you got. I agree that the difference in time (and fuel) feels about the same as you said above.
Just testing, I ran the SVEA this morning (~55°, windy @ 25 - 40mph) with my old REI (Evernew) 800ml potbellied kettle. Compared to my Primus HX pot, it seemed to take forever to boil, but it wasn't really what I'd call slow. I think I've just gotten used to the shorter times with the HX.
It would be a hard call deciding which to carry since the Primus HX is ~10.5oz, some 3oz heavier than the XTS and a whopping 6oz heavier than the Evernew kettle. I think that, since I already have the Evernew, I'd opt for the lighter pot right now, all other things considered. I hate carrying that much extra weight.
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OTOH, the Evernew is $72 @ Amazon. I think I didn't pay more than $40 for the (old, now discontinued) Primus 1L HX. I noticed that the Fire-Maple HX ( listed as "Tentock" @ Amazon) looks like a duplicate of the XTS, though it's about $10 cheaper. Buy the cheap pot and split the difference on weight? I guess I could do that, then report back on problems (quality issues, I suspect, if anything). I only have a few dozen pots, what's one more? :^)
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Post by driftwoody on Mar 31, 2021 18:23:50 GMT -8
gabby, as a general rule I think it's better to spend more for the product with the best attributes (including weight) -- something you'll be satisfied with and use for a long time. Otherwise you end up with a lot of castoffs which cost more cumulatively. ETA: Having said that, I could have saved a few ounces with the Jetboil Stash instead of the Olicamp pot & stove I bought for half the price. Even worse, I didn't fully research all the options before taking the plunge (didn't know about the Stash). Nevertheless, I'm very happy with the kit I assembled with my DIY windscreen; it is uniquely mine.
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Post by tomqvaxy on Apr 1, 2021 0:41:57 GMT -8
is it iron or pathos that a stove can be bought for 15$, but a cup is 40$?
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 1, 2021 3:02:21 GMT -8
is it iron or pathos that a stove can be bought for 15$, but a cup is 40$? I'd go for pathos. Iron is too heavy.
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