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Post by tomqvaxy on Jan 28, 2021 15:55:55 GMT -8
it all started out so innocent. i retired in 2014 and a major reason was so i could have a few years of enjoyment before paddling over the River Styx. i bicycle in the temperate months and build scale models when it gets colder. seemed fairly simple to me.
after a few years, i began to feel "caught up" and figured i could add to my repertoire. so i took a walk. walking is different than cycling. cycling requires constant vigilance against traffic and pedestrians whereas walking integrates surrounding activity and happens at a much more casual pace. the cardio isn't the same, but it's a pleasant interlude.
so, yes, in my budding years i devoured Fletcher's Complete Walker (first edition) as well as every entry in Brand's Whole Earth Catalog. there were a few choices: Dunhams, Gerry, Bean's, even North Face, but for the most part anything i could get my hands on worked. Vibram name brand soles were to be envied. $65 was a princely sum to be spent on a pair of boots. the Eastern Mountain Sports catalog was practically a "how-to" for emerging mountaineers with knots, hardware use, and even those Woolrich corduroy knickers. and who didn't want a pair of Malone pants and the accompanying snazzy red suspenders?
fifty years has definitely brought about some changes in the sport. so i've got some serviceable boots with gore-tex lining (oooh- ahhh) a couple of pieces of merino and capelline, and even though i still prefer my Pendleton Board shirts, i am adapting.
which brings me to the latest conundrum: i need a cup! Fletcher's Sierra cup was always a pain in my backside, but i clung to it because He said it was right - and i admit it did look sharp hanging on the pack. and added, was the margarine cup with lid so deftly used for his morning cereal or evening claret (so Steinbeck!). Nalgene, Everflow, Svea . . . the list goes on.
now there's titanium, stainless steel, aircraft aluminum, and all manner of single wall, double wall, fixed handle double handle and even double folding handles. whew!
so even though i have no intention of overnights, there has got to be some serious whang-dang-doodle perks for me to even remotely think about sleeping on the ground - outside no less - at this stage of the game, i do want to start increasing my kit for a few reasons. i want a stove, cup, spoon, so i can have a brew along the trail. i don't mind the added ounces since i think of the pack as a tool to help upper body strength (cycling is all legs).
anyone have a suggestion? i tried a search, but the rabbit-holes, while somewhat interesting, were taking me too far afield. much like this post has you!
thanks,
tom q
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Post by zeke on Jan 28, 2021 16:43:16 GMT -8
No overnighters? The list would be endless for what you could carry. Personally, if I absolutely want a cup for holding a beverage with dinner, as I don't drink hot fluids in the morning, I reach for an old freebie plastic thing. If I was looking to buy something, I might look at things like this Heck, even a Red Cup would work unless you really are drinking hot liquids. Or, you could look here |
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Post by johntpenca on Jan 28, 2021 17:45:03 GMT -8
Well, the OP stated he wanted a stove, so it's safe to assume hot drinks are the goal. Really, anything will work. I'd avoid any metallic mug. Haven't come across one yet that didn't burn ones lips. If only day hiking zeke's suggestions are spot on. If you want to boil the water in your mug, you will have to go with metal, in which case a double wall Ti mug is likely your best choice. Maybe buy a double wall mug and see how it works for you; if it burns your lips, just add a Starbucks or similar cup with the heat protection sleeve to hold it with. Just let the water cool a bit before pouring it into the cup. Just a thought... |
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Post by zeke on Jan 28, 2021 17:52:31 GMT -8
the OP stated he wanted a stove, so it's safe to assume hot drinks are the goal. Never dawned on me that he might actually use the cup directly on the stove. I know some hikers do that, but... Snow Peak is one brand I've seen others use for that purpose. All of them are over $30, so I was offering cheaper options. Though the fellow did ask for a newer Whang Dang Doodle |
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Post by texasbb on Jan 28, 2021 17:57:38 GMT -8
Nothing hot should ever be drunk out of metal unless you like the sound of sizzling lips and the smell of burning flesh. Any old plastic cup/mug of the appropriate size will do. If you want it insulated, any old insulated plastic cup/mug of the appropriate size will do.
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Post by johntpenca on Jan 28, 2021 18:20:06 GMT -8
^^ Made me laugh. Thanks!
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Post by tomqvaxy on Jan 28, 2021 19:33:51 GMT -8
i was under the impression a two-wall mug should not be used directly on the flame because of expansion. i think i need something metal barely large enough for a gas canister & maybe its stove. with a separate perforated lid. then the mug could be any type of material although i lean towards metal. i always think, and studies with bacteria & poly cutting boards have somewhat confirmed, plastic materials are a bit porous and can harbor cooties. the vessel will most likely just be getting a swish before being packed away only to be forgotten in the pack until it's next needed. for some unsubstantiated reason i like the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe kit, but i was hoping someone could talk me to my senses . . . . . www.msrgear.com/stoves/stove-kits/pocketrocket-deluxe-stove-kit/13099.htmli think REI is a bit less costly plus 10% annual incentive kick-back. |
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Post by johntpenca on Jan 28, 2021 21:20:24 GMT -8
i was under the impression a two-wall mug should not be used directly on the flame because of expansion. i think i need something metal barely large enough for a gas canister & maybe its stove. with a separate perforated lid. then the mug could be any type of material although i lean towards metal. i always think, and studies with bacteria & poly cutting boards have somewhat confirmed, plastic materials are a bit porous and can harbor cooties. the vessel will most likely just be getting a swish before being packed away only to be forgotten in the pack until it's next needed. for some unsubstantiated reason i like the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe kit, but i was hoping someone could talk me to my senses . . . . . www.msrgear.com/stoves/stove-kits/pocketrocket-deluxe-stove-kit/13099.htmli think REI is a bit less costly plus 10% annual incentive kick-back. One, the pocket rocket stove deluxe kit is way too much expense, weight and bulk for the purpose you describe. A 1.2 liter pot is overkill for making a hot drink. Two, people have been using plastic cups/mugs for decades. Just take the mug out of the pack when you get home and wash it. Three, REI only gives 1-3% cash back on their dividend. Four, a pocket rocket, titan kettle or titan cup and separate mug will more than do what you are asking to do. With my Titan kettle I can fit a small canister , mini Bic lighter and the stove in it. Five, why do you need a perforated lid? |
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Post by tomqvaxy on Jan 29, 2021 2:01:48 GMT -8
#1. but it might be less limiting. as noted, expense, weight, & bulk are not a concern.
#2. sounds good in theory.
#3. contradicts their faqs page as well as the notation next to each item's description.
#4. a pocket rocket, titan kettle or cup, and separate mug will cost within 80% and only provide 50% of my want.
#5. i don't need any of this; i want it.
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Post by bluefish on Jan 29, 2021 6:18:04 GMT -8
I used a GSI lexan insulated cup for years, backpacking . The pocket rocket and a lighter fit perfectly in the cup, the cup fit inside my pot. If I was just dayhiking I could throw my favorite ceramic mug in from the kitchen cabinet. Your pack still lacks any real weight, unless your carrying climbing gear? The MSR kit is plenty sufficient for your needs. I've used a pocket rocket for at least a decade, now, and it's never failed. Hundreds of pots boiled. For a dayhike, you might just consider a thermos. I do this for my wife and I, both on our fatbikes in the snow, and day hikes in winter. The stainless Hydroflasks or ones made by Yeti will keep drinks or soup hot for 4-5 hours if you wrap them with a little extra insulation.
If you use a canister stove, sometimes it will be almost impossible to use, due to wind or cold. Sounds like cold is not a factor. Consider bringing something to block the wind, just remember to never wrap around the stove and over-pressurize the canister.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 29, 2021 7:46:13 GMT -8
If weight isn’t an issue, I’d go down to the Dollar Store and pick up a plastic coffee cup with lid. I got one with a stopper and all, and it’s held up well so far. Too heavy for backpacking (for me), but it would be perfect for your uses. As for a pot—for cheap, consider the basic Walmart grease pot, or for luxury, a Ti teakettle.
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Post by johntpenca on Jan 29, 2021 8:00:16 GMT -8
#3. contradicts their faqs page as well as the notation next to each item's description. Can you provide a link to where you see 10%? I'm working off memory, so may be wrong with my statement. #4. a pocket rocket, titan kettle or cup, and separate mug will cost within 80% and only provide 50% of my want. What are you using this for other than to boil water for a drink? If you intend to use it to melt snow, I agree a larger pot is more appropriate. The titan kettle lid has a small hole in the center and the pour spout to vent off steam. Sounds like you are pretty set on the pocket rocket deluxe stove kit. Everyone has what works for them personally. |
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Post by johntpenca on Jan 29, 2021 8:54:48 GMT -8
i was under the impression a two-wall mug should not be used directly on the flame because of expansion. You are probably correct. |
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Post by zeke on Jan 29, 2021 9:17:54 GMT -8
Can you provide a link to where you see 10%? It's 10% back on regular priced items at REI, and 1-2% back on everything else bought with the card.  |
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 29, 2021 9:32:43 GMT -8
I’ve a green plastic measuring cup I’ve carried for years. It’s my measuring cup then my drinking cup. For coffee prep I’ll GSI kettle boil some water then melitta paper cone and filter into the cup. Or in a car camp into an old Stanley thermos for storage while I drink from my little green grocery/REI (?) measuring cup (it’s got a small handle like any measuring cup). Just like my bowl is a plastic grocery cereal bowl. Grocery stores are a great source for backpacking gear; stuff tends to be lightweight and cheap. Not necessarily all that sturdy but I’m not climbing K2 with them. And sturdy or not I’ve had the same bowls and cup since the 80’s. im reminded I’ve also got an older MSR ti cup (that looks like the above Toaks) I backpack with, its larger volume is better for morning coffee while I wait for the oatmeal to rehydrate. REI has a good selection of cups. Hyoh ETA: my MSR titan cup; www.campmor.com/products/msr-titan-titanium-cup?utm_source=bing&utm_campaign=bing-shopping&utm_medium=cpc&msclkid=1759f177d4e314989af491639ed1a384 |
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