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Post by liv4mtns on Nov 29, 2020 18:17:14 GMT -8
Have decided to look at SAT locators finally. Been thinking about it for awhile. The inReach was my first choice, and thought that was the way I would go. But came across the Bivystick and the Zoleo recently. Now my heads spinning. Has anyone heard of, or used either the Bivstick, or Zoleo and care to comment. Been looking at videos of both on YT to get some kind of understanding of how they both work.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Nov 29, 2020 18:25:58 GMT -8
What are your priorities, and how do you plan on using it.
Emergency only? Volume of traffic?
There's no one-size-fits-all solution.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Nov 29, 2020 22:04:10 GMT -8
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Post by balzaccom on Dec 1, 2020 20:00:28 GMT -8
For pure and simple: "Get me outta here now!" the ResqLink is probably the cheapest solution. $200 and no usage fee. It's pretty much an EPIRB (sailor's rescue beacon) for use anywhere. You can even get one that floats. No messaging of any kind. Just an alert sent to SAR that you need rescuing.
But if you want messaging, then it gets a lot more complicated. And so does the money. Most of them require some kind of annual or monthly plan, and those dollars quickly exceed the cost of of the unit in two or three years.
And some (Like the Zoleo or Bivystick) require a phone as well--so you have to keep that in mind. BivyStick has the least expensive usage plan: $18/month, and you can turn it off any time you want for as long as you want. Zoleo requires a $4/month fee just to keep it alive...then $20 a month for when you use it. Most of the others are in the $15-20 a month for the smallest data plan.
An additional factor that has always turned me off (bad pun) is that the technology evolves...and what you buy now may well be superseded by newer versions in a few years. I will never forget that the battery on my Magellan GPS died on my sailboat after about three years---and I was told there was no way to replace it---just buy a new GPS unit. Grrrrr.
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Post by Coolkat on Dec 2, 2020 5:38:42 GMT -8
For pure and simple: "Get me outta here now!" the ResqLink is probably the cheapest solution. This is what I have. I made that choice a few years because at the time my research/reading said that it's signal reliability was better than the messaging alternatives. That may not be true anymore. The other reason I got mine was because I don't spend enough time on the trail (3 weeks at most per year and not at the same time) to pay the subscription fees. However, I will say this year on my hike in CO one of the other hikers had an inreach and allowed the rest of use to use it and my wife appreciated getting a text in the evening telling her all was good.
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 3, 2020 17:34:22 GMT -8
I just got an InReach Mini and really like it from a functional. The initial price I can deal with but the subscription plan may be a gray cloud.
I wouldn't want anything that doesn't have a dedicated emergency button. Definitely don't like the solutions that require phone. I personally had the criteria of wanting to send occasional "I am here and OK" messages back to my wife when solo hiking.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Dec 5, 2020 7:49:26 GMT -8
Just received notice from Garmin that the turn on-off plan is going up from $25 to $35 per year. That doesn't include the per-month fee, which they say will not change.
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 5, 2020 8:42:51 GMT -8
I signed up in Oct and the annual fee for my "freedom" plan was about $35.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Dec 5, 2020 11:23:31 GMT -8
I signed up in Oct and the annual fee for my "freedom" plan was about $35. Then I'm guessing that fee actually went up a while ago, but since it's paid annually those who come due in January, like me, are just now getting notice of it.
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Post by rangewalker on Dec 5, 2020 13:14:48 GMT -8
I have a eight year old ACR-GPS Personal Locator Beacon on its second battery. When hiking or biking it is on my person. Not the pack or saddle bag. I have only used it once, and it was not for me, for another hiker injured that I encountered on the trail. Assuring my registered contacts it was not me in the hours after took awhile.
After an avoidable SAR incident if I had a messenger, I bought a SPOTX just when they hit the market in summer of 2018. I have used it nearly every week to inform family or friends in my clutch about hikes, whereabouts, or change in plans. It is literally my second line. Both in the firmware and the mechanical keyboard it has been a disappointment. The SPOTX has in my use a dropped message score better than my smartphone. I may need to replace it before next summer. If I do, it will be with a full size inReach. I chose the SPOTX in '18 for the keyboard versus the GARMIN hunt and peck, better email, and direct EIN number. Despite the look, it is no Blackberry.
I was hoping on Space X Starlink in a hand held but I think that is a few more years away. I personally have no interest is smartphone connected devices.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Dec 5, 2020 14:30:57 GMT -8
I don’t mind the phone features since the full on emergency beacon function is independent of that. So the phone only comes into play should I be delayed and need to explain the situation or a follow up to an emergency over and above the initial signal. I don’t leave expensive gear in my trailhead vehicle so my phone’s available if needed. Powered off and buried for protection.
That said I definitely wouldn’t choose a device that required the phone to function.
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Post by BigLoad on Dec 14, 2020 17:22:13 GMT -8
I have a eight year old ACR-GPS Personal Locator Beacon on its second battery. How long did the battery update take? I'm deciding whether to have the battery changed or upgrade to this year's model.
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Post by almostthere on Dec 14, 2020 18:50:51 GMT -8
By the way, the InReach Mini does not require the phone. The phone makes it easier to text, but if you texted on those old flip phones, using the device itself without a smart phone is pretty much just like that. And you can also pre-program five (or is it six?) set messages, and one of those can be, "We are having a non-emergent crisis that will prevent our continuing on foot as planned, please contact dispatch and have them send help plz" - which is being nice to SAR teams if you have a problem keeping you from continuing but is not life threatening.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Dec 14, 2020 20:15:21 GMT -8
By the way, the InReach Mini does not require the phone. The phone makes it easier to text, but if you texted on those old flip phones, using the device itself without a smart phone is pretty much just like that. And you can also pre-program five (or is it six?) set messages, and one of those can be, "We are having a non-emergent crisis that will prevent our continuing on foot as planned, please contact dispatch and have them send help plz" - which is being nice to SAR teams if you have a problem keeping you from continuing but is not life threatening. Yes, it's exactly that sort of nuanced information communication that shifted me on my replacement for my PLB to a more communication capable satellite messenger when it reached the end of it's FCC certified service life. The more information responders have the better everyone will be IMHO.
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 15, 2020 5:45:49 GMT -8
By the way, the InReach Mini does not require the phone. The phone makes it easier to text, but if you texted on those old flip phones, using the device itself without a smart phone is pretty much just like that. And you can also pre-program five (or is it six?) set messages, and one of those can be, "We are having a non-emergent crisis that will prevent our continuing on foot as planned, please contact dispatch and have them send help plz" - which is being nice to SAR teams if you have a problem keeping you from continuing but is not life threatening. Actually the phone is very helpful in dealing with waypoints and tracking as well. Far from perfect but better and more powerful than the built in display. Actually you get three unlimited messages. These have to be set with a browser via the Garmin Explore site. I can do this with my phone's browser if there is service to change them on the fly. The unlimited messages have to be less than or equal 160 characters and can be addressed to multiple recipients. The recipients can be either email or SMS/txt. I think the intent of these is more day to day. One of mine is "I am here and I am fine". The messages include GPS location.
At first I instructed my wife to not respond to any of my msgs unless she had something really important but I found that sometimes I would like to hear back from her. So we changed it to if I end a msg with +1 it was an invitation to answer back. These type of msgs go toward msg count.
Actually if you need SAR you should likely trigger an SOS. The first thing they do is see if you can answer back by sat message. if you can then they start a dialog with you about the nature of the incident. All messages during an emergency event are no charge.
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