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Post by cweston on Nov 19, 2020 12:54:17 GMT -8
Stuff like this--and the stories from South Dakota of people dying from Covid still vehemently claiming it is a hoax--just makes me so sad. How did we get to the point where this is how people treat one another?
(Note: I did not post this in TPA because this is about health, science, and decency; not politics.)
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Post by jazzmom on Nov 19, 2020 14:15:04 GMT -8
How did we get to the point where this is how people treat one another? At the risk of responding politically - though I personally don't think this should be a matter of politics either - a black person or a Native American person might answer that we have always been at this point; that we have always treated each other this way. Only the people being treated badly didn't look like you before. |
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Post by cweston on Nov 19, 2020 15:46:46 GMT -8
At the risk of responding politically - though I personally don't think this should be a matter of politics either - a black person or a Native American person might answer that we have always been at this point; that we have always treated each other this way. Only the people being treated badly didn't look like you before. Good point. |
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Post by franco on Nov 19, 2020 16:25:11 GMT -8
There are also a lot of after effects for people that recover from Covid 19. An Italian paper commented this morning tha 1 in 20 will suffer of "brain fog" (finding it difficult to think or concentrate) . www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.htmlI wonder if those are also part of the hoax. |
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Post by Lamebeaver on Nov 19, 2020 19:13:37 GMT -8
It's very sad that people who are risking their lives are being treated this way.
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Post by hikinggods on Nov 19, 2020 20:21:48 GMT -8
That nurse's story was so incredibly disturbing. How have we come to this point? How do we even start to get beyond this insanity. This politicizing of this non-political health crisis? This "to hell with everyone else, you can't tell ME what to do!" attitude.
It is disheartening. And sad.
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Post by hikerjer on Nov 19, 2020 20:49:51 GMT -8
You may not want to politcize this but it's been made an huge politcal issue by our leaders, such as they are, when it didn't have to be. People will look back at our actions and wonder how we could have been so collectively stupid. I have some ideas on that as well.
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Post by toejam on Nov 19, 2020 21:06:28 GMT -8
I think it's to be expected. First of all, COVID-19 is like nothing we've seen before. Initially there were the outrageous estimates of millions dropping dead that proved to be wrong, then it was reasonable to believe it wasn't going to be as bad as it's turning out to be. It's been hard to get my head around what COVID is and isn't and my understanding is ever evolving.
I think the animosity is backlash towards an arrogant mainstream media that continuously destroys its own credibility with its bias and hostility towards so many Americans. Why should people believe anything they say?
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Post by swimswithtrout on Nov 19, 2020 21:17:06 GMT -8
I think the animosity is backlash towards an arrogant mainstream media that continuously destroys its own credibility with its bias and hostility towards so many Americans Not to get political...but... the only media bias and hostility has been coming from the Fox News crowd, and it's ilk, trying to put down "Scientific Reasoning"....and those that understand it... |
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Post by bradmacmt on Nov 19, 2020 21:46:37 GMT -8
I’d like to read the article, but can’t. Care to copy and paste it?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Nov 19, 2020 22:01:26 GMT -8
Over a million people HAVE died, and globally we’re nowhere near the end. So there’s that. In seven months we’ve lost more Americans than for the entire eleven years of the Vietnam war. To a disease we knew nothing about a year ago: so initial caution, and that there’d be an evolving accumulation of knowledge about it is completely expected, at least for people who see this as a disease problem not a “constitutional” issue. As to a public health official burning out under such circumstances? Having her children photographed? While she and her family are nowhere in the same universe as “the mainstream media”. She’s a hero for lasting as long as she has. I sympathize with her and her colleagues. The Washington Post offers a lot of its Covid-19 coverage free so this link could be worth trying. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/18/health-care-worker-threats-coronavirus/?arc404=trueHere’s some more medical information. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.htmlI’d read similar reporting about a senior in nursing school who’d signed up to be a contact tracer in her home state of North Dakota since she wanted to help and not being graduated couldn’t assist medically: and her and her colleagues treatment was often similar. Rudeness, abuse and denial. Well, one in every thousand of her neighbors has died from the disease and it’s still on the way up, and the state has abandoned contact tracing since so much of the populace is infected tracing is meaningless. Horrific experience for a college age person.   |
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Nov 19, 2020 23:00:22 GMT -8
And the story is still evolving (no instantly everything is known and totally accurate). The “long haulers” still have health consequences weeks, months, a probably years out from the initial infection. For a disease that’s infected 56 million people in under a year snd is still effectively unchecked? That’s a disaster. /?d=n |
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Post by driftwoody on Nov 20, 2020 4:27:01 GMT -8
Stuff like this--and the stories from South Dakota of people dying from Covid still vehemently claiming it is a hoax--just makes me so sad. How did we get to the point where this is how people treat one another?
(Note: I did not post this in TPA because this is about health, science, and decency; not politics.)
Unfortunately, the animosity towards healthcare workers and public officials seeking cooperation in combating this pandemic is very much rooted in political polarization and susceptibility to belief in conspiracy theories. There is also a natural element of denial that something so deadly and pervasive can actually be happening. They don't want to believe it, so they don't. Every crisis also presents us with the opportunity of working together in a common cause which affects all of us regardless of politics or station in life. Following the Great Depression America became the arsenal of Democracy in defeating fascism. Why can't we come together to combat a deadly virus that is sickening and killing our family members and friends while ravaging our economy? Science is easy compared to getting a grip on the answer to that question. |
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Post by tomas on Nov 20, 2020 6:38:22 GMT -8
Somewhere along the way a significant part of our society rejected the concept of common sacrifice for the common good.
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Post by almostthere on Nov 20, 2020 7:05:23 GMT -8
I think it's to be expected. First of all, COVID-19 is like nothing we've seen before. Initially there were the outrageous estimates of millions dropping dead that proved to be wrong, then it was reasonable to believe it wasn't going to be as bad as it's turning out to be. It's been hard to get my head around what COVID is and isn't and my understanding is ever evolving.
The real danger IMO is that people are already assuming that it's no big deal because the death count is slow. That it might take a decade to kill everyone doesn't immediately occur to people. If the immunity you have is temporary, the ones who pay zero attention to the medical community might just drive waves of deaths... A long time ago, we thought that chicken pox parties were a great idea... lots of shingles sufferers beg to differ. If hepatitis were as easy to catch, that would have been the big crisis of the century. I think that viruses in general are outside people's general fund of knowledge, even though we know they are out there, it's like a lot of us just forget what a big deal they can be. AIDs, hepatitis, measles (in countries without mandated vaccination programs), ebola, etc are still killing people. Most of them are either not as easy to catch, or not really a problem in industrialized countries so not in the news all the time.
I think that because it's been politicized and turned into a "hill to die on" for some people, it WILL be as bad as initially predicted. It'll just take a while to get there.
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