sarbar
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Post by sarbar on Aug 28, 2020 12:38:23 GMT -8
Our county has some of the lowest numbers of the state for percentages. And we are Seattle's favorite weekend vaca spot. However.....nearly everything is outside. We are Phase 3 (out of 4) and Seattle's county is Phase 2, so they come here to get away. But we got smart, most places serve food outside. Not a lot to do inside. In fact, the only recent cases were from citizens who traveled out of state and came back sick. So there is that. None of our schools are going back inside this year in our county. It's all remote.
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Post by sarbar on Aug 28, 2020 12:40:47 GMT -8
But if he comes on my property w/o masking, which has happened, then it is an issue for me (and I was masked at the time.) If he's on the edge of your property, be open that you prefer masks. Be firm. But I guess I feel OK with being around (but not right next to me of course) outside. It's easy to maintain 10-15 feet apart outside in this case. But not telling them won't change anything.
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Post by Westy on Aug 28, 2020 15:29:50 GMT -8
I shamed a lady. Being an obnoxious east coast wise ass I couldn't help myself. Please note in balzaccom case would have just taken the 6 foot clearance, no problem or worst case crossed the street. I was at the grocery store. The store requires masks to enter and be worn while in the store. It is also mandatory in Salt Lake County. I was in the queue for the self-check out. The store employees are always trying to give you the giddyap when positions open. The employee motioned for me to go to the just made vacant middle position. The lady in the front position was not wearing a mask and slobbering all over the place, wheeze, dry cough. In my best Boston accent I proclaimed in a moderately elevated audible, "No way I'm going next to the germ lady kid!". The evil eye I got was worth the effort. I felt a lot better.
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Post by davesenesac on Aug 28, 2020 15:31:07 GMT -8
Here in Santa Clara County which was the first county in the nation to issue comprehensive shelter in place etc virus orders, and from which many jurisdictions across the nation used as a template for their own orders, there has never been an order to wear masks outdoors if one can stay at least 6 feet from others. More recently on August 19, the state issued a new comprehensive order on wearing masks that still allows being mask-less if more than 6 feet from others.
For well-known (CDC/WHO published) reasons of not making orders too complicated for those least likely to comprehend policy, they don't explain obvious situations that would be exceptions to all but the most easily confused. Accordingly, most of us just ignore the rigid 6 foot order in passing others outdoors in such common sense situations. For instance, in breezy conditions upwind, no one is going to contact the virus even if in passing just a couple feet from others. No one is going to contact the virus if they merely hold their breath a few seconds while passing others. What does a person do when passing an over-ripe outhouse at a local park? Even kids learn to hold their breath in passing. It's not rocket science. Nor will someone zipping by on a bicycle 3 feet away along a typical 6 foot wide paved path.
Health authorities all understand this so resist pressures from those who are science ignorant and try and rigidly push unnecessary restrictions as such will only result in more people ignoring policy and for some without understanding why, that would result in doing so when they should be wearing masks. On virology and other technical health sites all this has been clearly established and at this point several months into research and data analysis, science knows far more today. That noted, it is true there are still many ordinary people that do not. Further the fact very few are catching the disease from limited visits to retail stores, especially supermarkets, despite much greater opportunity for contagion therein speaks to difficulty of contacting the disease even indoors unless one receives a high viral load just as is the case with other respiratory diseases, something that was unknown in March.
Almost any catching the disease are doing so by being indoors over periods in contact with possible others. Consider all the news whining about those on beaches or in mass protests that were going to get sick. What happened? Listen to a pin drop...silence...nothing. And all but a few news sites for PC reasons avoided following up with reports on such. Oh sure a few beach goers did get sick but because they also went into bars and nightclubs.
So why are cities like Paris now requiring everyone outdoors wear a mask? Well that is because as long as there are exceptions, significant enough people will not wear a mask even in situations where they should and as long as that is the case, they can blend in with all those who don't need to. With a total decree for wearing masks outdoors, anyone not doing so will easily stand out.
The latest recommendations by researchers trying to dumb down the oversimplified 6 foot policy that after several months now of the public coming to understand what is sensible, is more likely to be absorbed even by Homer Simpsons.
www.sfgate.com/science/article/The-6-foot-rule-is-outdated-Researchers-devise-15520286.php
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Post by bluefish on Aug 28, 2020 17:25:58 GMT -8
It seems for many people wearing a mask is like asking them to mantle the ditch and charge into machine gun and mortar fire. We humans are mostly a selfish lot.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 28, 2020 19:13:22 GMT -8
Shrug. At this point as a life long biologist I’m satisfied with live and let die Darwinism.
I’ll wear my mask, carry hand sanitizer in my drivers side door pocket for when I return to my truck from a store, wash my hands thoroughly with soap, leave stores not enforcing masking and if I’m in a line and get crowded by an unmasked person? I’m happy to just walk away and let someone else reshelve my cart.
If someone wants they and their loved ones to mulch the Tree of Liberty? Who am I to oppose their sacrifice? And the sooner before the election the better.
The challenge with almost any range estimate is how incredibly sensitive assays are these days. Detectable being necessary but not sufficient for transmission. otoh that vastly improved technology is how we’re getting the new Antigen (virus protein) fast testing that could be a game changer as they’re fast (15 minutes to a result), low tech, think pregnancy test, and at $5, relatively cheap, plus relatively easy to manufacture by the tens of millions. At an accuracy rate reported approaching 97% for some of them repeating tests when they’re that inexpensive means catching virtually all cases when persisting.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 28, 2020 20:16:25 GMT -8
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Post by balzaccom on Aug 29, 2020 5:57:42 GMT -8
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Post by kmatjhwy on Aug 29, 2020 6:14:44 GMT -8
Balzaccom, Best Wishes to you! Now I myself personally go without a mask when outdoors and whenever possible. But also do try to give people their space with practicing safe social distancing. Also I try to be kind, smile, and be courteous to everyone I meet. I have very very rarely met anyone who has given me a hard time when am not masked up. Do think some in the media are trying to keep many in fear. Am telling this to everyone I meet ... Empower Yourself and Do Not Live in Fear. Take your vitamins, boost your immune system, Social distance, and be at peace ... In My opinion. But I live here in Wyoming where it is more relaxed to begin with.
Wishing Everyone the Best!
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Post by autumnmist on Aug 29, 2020 6:40:26 GMT -8
Thought of another option but I would never consider it. One of the jobs I had shortly after graduation was at a small family owned design service. The lunchroom was just a section of the storage area. Employees warned me about one man, who allegedly ate garlic sandwiches. I thought it was a new employee joke until he was at the lunch table one day. The penetrating odor of garlic was overwhelming; I had to leave and eat in my car.
I wouldn't recommend it, but a garlic breath would more than likely keep people away from someone who won't comply with mask wearing.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 29, 2020 8:57:02 GMT -8
Before this I read about people getting yelled at walking on sidewalks 20 yards of separation or getting off trail around Los Angeles stepping into bush with a rise in rattler bites. Not worth the aggravation IMO. So ...
In addition to an actual mask (plus spare), outdoors I’ll have a UV -resistant Buff ready to go over the nose (was looking at nullifying UV this summer anyways). Some people are a little too over-panicky outside, but I’d rather not have to watch my back after they pass if walking, hiking, or jogging.
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Post by jazzmom on Aug 29, 2020 9:29:45 GMT -8
I personally believe that risk of transmission outdoors from passers by and from surface contact are both very low. But I always have a mask in my pocket when outdoors and if people coming my way are masked, I just put mine on. It's not a big deal, doesn't cost me a thing to extend that courtesy. Otherwise, I give them a really wide berth.
I can count on one hand the total number of unmasked people I've been in close proximity with since the beginning of March.
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Post by burntfoot on Aug 29, 2020 15:23:03 GMT -8
Started school this past week. Those that opted for in-person learning (92 percent) all wore masks. I expected push-back from middle school band kids, but received none. They are just happy to be going to school again with friends after 5 months. It has been over 2 weeks since I have seen someone in a store without a mask. This is good, because I would usually be the one to bring it to their attention. Outside, I don't care. As long as they are 6 feet or further. This goes for my marching band, as well. We have had success distancing while on the football field. I'm sorry someone called you out on something that you shouldn't have been called out on.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 30, 2020 7:23:53 GMT -8
autumnmist, a multi-day backpacker funk should help, too :D I’ve done quite a bit of hiking now on trails with a lot of people. I carry a mask or wear a bandana (shown, like a Buff, to be much less effective, but also easier to put on and off) and put it on if I can’t get off the trail or otherwise put at least 6’ between us. Yes, the odds of transmission outdoors are low. It just seems like the courteous thing to do, because you never know, as mentioned, who might have extra reasons to be careful.
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Post by cweston on Aug 30, 2020 7:38:48 GMT -8
I’ve done quite a bit of hiking now on trails with a lot of people. I carry a mask or wear a bandana (shown, like a Buff, to be much less effective, but also easier to put on and off) and put it on if I can’t get off the trail or otherwise put at least 6’ between us. I went on a short hike on a busy trail with my daughter near Austin earlier this summer--there were enough people that we just left our masks on the whole time--which was fairly uncomfortable, of course, mostly because it was Austin in the summer. (Thankfully, the destination was a swimming hole.) My son and I did not take masks BPing in the Gore Range last month: we expected (and got) very limited human interactions and we never had any problem keeping distance between us and the handful of humans we encountered. I'm BPing in the Sangres and San Juans in September. Although it will be September, those are more popular areas than the Gores, so I guess I may carry a mask just in case. In each case, I'll have some dayhikes in the area before the BP trip, so I'll be able to judge whether a mask will really be needed.
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