jazzmom
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Post by jazzmom on Jun 27, 2020 5:01:24 GMT -8
I've never backpacked in grizzly country and trying to understand the detailed gear logistics.
I've hiked in black bear country and have either rented a Bearikade if required or hung stuff in a silnylon sack. In it goes all my food, toiletries, cooking gear, food trash. I've never carried bear spray and haven't worried about the clothes I cooked in. We do always cook a ways from where we sleep and I almost always sleep in dedicated sleepwear. Also didn't secure/hang the 'toilet bag'. Bottom line is that I'm mostly just concerned about protecting my food and not so much about protecting me, at least not directly.
So, talk me through what's different in grizzly country. I get the bear spray thing. Do you secure clothes you cooked in? Do you secure the toilet bag? How about things like water containers?
How about Ursacks vs hard containers -- pros and cons beyond their weights? I picked up one Ursack XL earlier and am thinking having a second one might be convenient.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jun 27, 2020 5:04:28 GMT -8
Some of your questions might be answered by the Alaska Fish and Game suggestions as they’ve extensive brown bear experience. www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=livingwithbears.bearcountryYellowstone: www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/campinginbearcountry.htmThe IGBC has container recommendations. igbconline.org/The con for myself of Ursack is while the bear doesn’t get a reward when correctly closed the food is reportedly often mushed behind any hope of usability. At one point they sought to mitigate that with a stiff aluminum alloy liner. Which negated the flexible volume feature. (Though I countered that by putting the liner around the outside of my Garcia except when needed at night. I found the pairing functional as I collapsed everything down towards just being stored in the hard sided Garcia while the Ursack became smaller and smaller on two week trips. Then Yosemite removed approval and I shelved it).
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 27, 2020 5:46:46 GMT -8
Bear Spray. Cook away from your sleeping area. Store your pack outside your tent. Hang your food. No food of any kind in your tent overnight.
I don't worry about clothing that has been exposed to cooking... a bear will have a lot more of interest to smell than those. The hanging food will have the bulk of its attention. Hang it well. A Ursak or Hard Containers is unnecessary.
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Post by jazzmom on Jun 28, 2020 9:30:02 GMT -8
Thanks!
It's not that I'm scared, but as I'm hiking with others, I think I have an obligation to be appropriately prepared. One sloppy hiker can compromise the whole group, I think.
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Post by zeke on Jun 28, 2020 10:30:54 GMT -8
I intend to hang my smellables instead of carrying my BV500, using a dry bag stuff sack. I've had a grizz walk through my camp in Y'stone's Slough Creek area, and it was more interested in getting to the creek for some fishing. We were thankful all of our stuff was hung that day. As for the spray, I'll keep mine within easy reach always.
I won't be doing any real cooking, but FBC like always. IMO, that reduces the smells that cling to clothing. Nonetheless, if it is easy enough to just hang the entire pack, I will do that.
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Post by rangewalker on Jun 28, 2020 12:45:56 GMT -8
I've hiked in black bear country and have either rented a Bearikade if required or hung stuff in a silnylon sack. In it goes all my food, toiletries, cooking gear, food trash. I've never carried bear spray and haven't worried about the clothes I cooked in. We do always cook a ways from where we sleep and I almost always sleep in dedicated sleepwear. Also didn't secure/hang the 'toilet bag'. Bottom line is that I'm mostly just concerned about protecting my food and not so much about protecting me, at least not directly. I have backpacked in griz country and in my local area. I have been following "bear country rules' in my home ground too. The black bear are not reading the memos about human contact, and they are getting less skarit. Especially from entitled slob hunters and locals that refuse to break generational patterns on handling food and waste. Yellowstone NP (YNP) that some forum members, friends, and I are headed to in August have hanging poles at the designated camp sites. Often right next to the cooking and socializing area of the camp. My experience has been, take 50" of good/better para-cord with carabiner or two and you can rig a hang. In roadless, wilderness or other undeveloped area, I prefer a canister or ursack because a natural hang is often unobtainable and risky. For this year's YNP trip, same as Sumi, I am taking both a tall canister and an old Ursack. The Ursack will get hung with the pack on the pole to catch the overflow from garbage, hygiene kit, and other smellies. There are a lot smaller critters that pose a risk to your pack. Even if there a pole hang failure, the Ursack knotted off, will not give a critter a food reward. The canister stashed in a legal spot. I found early on to not take a shelter that has been cooked in. I found the best way to keep a cleaner sleeping area is set up the shelter and lay out just what is needed there for sleeping before any other camp chores or cooking. Stage out the sleeping clothes and hygiene bag for a bit of cleanup-toilet before crashing out. Rubbing out food splash with a cloth an spot of hand sanitizer is pretty amazing. I also believe because of the education from YNP over the years, and even with 20-25k back-country hikers a year, the conflict numbers are incredibly low.
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Post by oldbill on Jun 29, 2020 4:12:14 GMT -8
In roadless, wilderness or other undeveloped area, I prefer a canister or ursack because a natural hang is often unobtainable and risky. I still haven't pulled the trigger on an Ursack purchase mostly as I am trying to keep weight down. As I get older heavier, more comfortable items tend to sneak into my pack. But *properly* hanging in spruce, white pine (careful around those - bear food), etc is difficult. Twice last year I had issues getting the bag down. Line weight (I use "the Griz" line - flat with urethane coat, but Spectra). Thicker (heavier) line is better. Ursacks are so much easier. Bridger-Teton backcountry staff use them. But, as already stated, food is crushed, possibly with bear slobber so your trip is over. Adding the extra weight of a liner isn't that appealing to many. Almost would rather have a cannister. I also use an Opsak. Yes, nothing is perfect, but the idea is to reduce the scent as much as possible and hope the bear finds something more interesting. One sloppy hiker can compromise the whole group Great point! I'm leading a group into the northern Winds and made it clear what their responsibilities were in griz country. Most are experienced but mistakes happen.
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