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Post by cweston on Jan 24, 2021 6:15:06 GMT -8
He was magnificent, and we got along, but I have to admit to being a bit intimidated! Exactly. We had a group of about ten that decided to hang out at our camp at Upper Slate Lake in the Gores this summer. We were there a lot longer then we expected to be because of terrible weather that caused us to scuttle more ambitious plans, and they just wouldn't leave us alone. It's wonderful for the first 15 minutes, but... When the kids come right up to you while mom and dad are right there watching, it's extremely disconcerting.
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Post by TrailElder on Jan 24, 2021 8:27:52 GMT -8
it's extremely disconcerting. My site had a big boulder in the middle of it that I tried to circle and keep between him and me as he cruised my camp. He exhibited 0 fear. I had the impression he would take food out of my hand if I offered it. I'm guessing he's been fed by campers. This is a really popular basin in the Gores, so he sees a lot of people and that group site is probably often occupied. He was making his nightly rounds. I've never heard of one charging or threatening anyone, though, have you? My daughter has had several camps where she's been surrounded by them all night and morning, and never had a problem. It was my trip to be put in my place. On my way out in the morning, I stopped to fish a beaver pond and these guys walked right into it. I started looking for hiding places.
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Post by cweston on Jan 24, 2021 8:42:35 GMT -8
No, I've never heard any tales of actual charge or threatening behavior by goats. But an adult mountain goat is a pretty imposing animal: they could certainly hurt you if they chose to.
Great moose photos! I've only seen moose once in all my travels in the Gores. Where was this?
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 24, 2021 8:49:22 GMT -8
No, I've never heard any tales of actual charge or threatening behavior by goats. But an adult mountain goat is a pretty imposing animal: they could certainly hurt you if they chose to. Great moose photos! I've only seen moose once in all my travels in the Gores. Where was this? In 2010 one fatally gored a man at Hurricane Ridge (in Olympic NP). The goat got the femoral artery and wouldn’t let anyone near until the man had bled to death. Not a pretty way to go. I remember the year, because it was just a week or two after a goat had stalked me for my pee in Glacier. That goat came to within about 10 feet and stood their waiting for me to do my thing, which was kind of problematic since it’s hard to perform for an audience. But at least I didn’t know about the fatality then, or I would have really freaked out!
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Post by cweston on Jan 24, 2021 8:54:01 GMT -8
Wow, rebeccad. Goats have been in the Hurricane Ridge area for as long as I can remember, having friendly encounters with humans all the time. That's pretty scary.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 24, 2021 8:57:13 GMT -8
cweston, I think since that incident they have been a bit more serious about removing at least some of the goats from ONP—they aren’t native there. I think they were introduced in the early 1900s for hunters, as usual.
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Post by TrailElder on Jan 25, 2021 20:43:26 GMT -8
cweston the moose were on Meadow Creek. I had made a loop up N. Tenmile Creek where I camped in the upper basin (lots of moose sign up there, but didn't see any), then came down and crossed over on the GRT to Meadow Creek. The goat came off of Eccles Pass into my camp. I can do that loop walking out of my front door in Frisco. I see lots of moose in general, but probably because I am always tramping around in their favorite habitat. I try to be very careful not to surprise them. On the way out of upper N. Tenmile, which is pretty untracked by humans, there was a lot of sign that they had been bedding down in tall grass and willows. So I was singing pretty loudly when I came across a couple of people who I think thought they had encountered a mad hermit. John Denver tunes I think it was. rebeccad I had forgotten about the aggressive goats in ONP. Googled the coverage on that, and there is a shot of them coptering out a LOT of goats "addicted to human urine"! Here's a video I found of an aggressive one -- it caught this guy on a snow field on Mt. Timp in Utah and he had nowhere to go! www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/animal-behaviour/angry-mountain-goat-confronts-a-hiker-on-the-snowy-slopes/
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 25, 2021 21:42:21 GMT -8
TrailElder, be sure to separate the sheep from the goats! (Sorry, couldn’t resisit).
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Post by TrailElder on Jan 26, 2021 5:48:39 GMT -8
be sure to separate the sheep from the goats! Oops!!!
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Post by bluefish on Jan 26, 2021 11:20:59 GMT -8
I don't have pictures of one of my favorite camps, as for decades I took none, always thinking the visions were permanently implanted in my mind. It was at a place called Fishing Cove in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. It's a lovely cove between headlands with a trout stream running into the Strait of Northumberland. The only time I have caught Salters, or sea run brook trout. The meadow between the headlands was carpeted with low bush blueberries and we stayed for three days eating trout, harbor pollock I caught in the cove and berries at least for one meal a day. We were entertained by eagles and otters, but had some disconcerting wildlife encounters. One morning I was sitting in front of my tent , drinking coffee, when I heard a trotting sound. I turned to see a cow moose heading directly for our campsite. It trotted through, passing me a mere five feet away and got a drink out of the stream. It turned and followed the same path back up over the headland when it was done. The next morning both my wife and I were out of the tent eating breakfast when a cow and her calf did the same thing! This time we stayed dead silent and didn't move a muscle, as we didn't want to make the moose mom mad. In those days we traveled by motorcycle, pulling a trailer with backpacks in it. We hiked out just in time for a two day blow of torrential rains. Had to ride in it, as vacation was drawing to a close and we were 900 miles from home. We just gritted our teeth and rode it out and the memory of that backpacking camp has stayed pleasant and dry.
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Post by TrailElder on Jan 27, 2021 6:46:27 GMT -8
I don't have pictures of one of my favorite camps, as for decades I took none, always thinking the visions were permanently implanted in my mind. It was at a place called Fishing Cove in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. It's a lovely cove between headlands with a trout stream running into the Strait of Northumberland. The only time I have caught Salters, or sea run brook trout. The meadow between the headlands was carpeted with low bush blueberries and we stayed for three days eating trout, harbor pollock I caught in the cove and berries at least for one meal a day. We were entertained by eagles and otters, but had some disconcerting wildlife encounters. One morning I was sitting in front of my tent , drinking coffee, when I heard a trotting sound. I turned to see a cow moose heading directly for our campsite. It trotted through, passing me a mere five feet away and got a drink out of the stream. It turned and followed the same path back up over the headland when it was done. The next morning both my wife and I were out of the tent eating breakfast when a cow and her calf did the same thing! This time we stayed dead silent and didn't move a muscle, as we didn't want to make the moose mom mad. In those days we traveled by motorcycle, pulling a trailer with backpacks in it. We hiked out just in time for a two day blow of torrential rains. Had to ride in it, as vacation was drawing to a close and we were 900 miles from home. We just gritted our teeth and rode it out and the memory of that backpacking camp has stayed pleasant and dry. You are right, a picture would not have captured this Shangri-La of a camp spot. But I'd still love to see one. And I'd love to go there!
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Post by TrailElder on Jan 27, 2021 6:59:41 GMT -8
be sure to separate the sheep from the goats! You piqued my curiosity. This is an article on the relationship between the sheep and the goats in Summit County, CO, the area we are talking about. You are right! www.summitdaily.com/news/two-competing-species-mountain-goat-v-bighorn-sheep/Bottom line is that the goats are more hearty, more aggressive, and therefore more populous in the Eagle's Nest Wilderness. The state is trying to figure out how to manage the sheep so they don't have to manage either. This article is now almost 10 years old, and I fear not much has changed (but I can't find an update -- I'm going to ask my brother, who is with state parks and wildlife). Big horn sheep thrive in other parts of Colorado that are lower and warmer, like the area of the first campsite I pictured above, which is near -- literally -- Big Horn Sheep Canyon on the Arkansas River. I don't know why the state believes it needs to (over?) manage this...seems like the two species would just sort it out. Anyways.... BTW, my theory is that the sheep are just more wily in their aggression. I was nearly beaned by a small herd walking on a canyon cliff above me, dropping rocks down on the trail. They just missed!
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 27, 2021 8:45:13 GMT -8
I thought we were talking about. ONP, which was goats. But your original comment of course was about your CO critters. I don’t think of sheep and goats having overlapping territory.
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Post by bluefish on Jan 27, 2021 9:05:08 GMT -8
The only place I've ever seen goats and sheep in close proximity was in Jasper. It was in May during a heavy snow year, and everything was driven down into the valleys. It was like a drive through zoo. I watched a ewe get mad at a car trying to drive away while it was licking the tires. It slammed into the passenger door and left a good size dent. We were following the car, so I did a quick escape in reverse. We ended up at a different trailhead. How do you explain to the rental car company?
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Post by TrailElder on Jan 27, 2021 17:39:29 GMT -8
I thought we were talking about. ONP, which was goats. But your original comment of course was about your CO critters. I don’t think of sheep and goats having overlapping territory. Yes, we were talking about both, but I'm with you (on both)...I hadn't thought of there being much overlap and competition between the species. That's why I assumed the two would sort it out. But this article seems to indicate that there is, in this area of Colorado anyway, significant detrimental impact on sheep by the goats. An imbalance. I'm going to look into this via my brother, who knows a fair about about ungulate management here. I'll report back in case anyone is interested besides me!
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