daveg
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Post by daveg on May 14, 2020 18:58:04 GMT -8
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reuben
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Post by reuben on May 15, 2020 2:39:29 GMT -8
I got an email from Moosejaw the other day about this Lithic line. Didn't know it was related to Walmart.
ETA: Walmart bought Moosejaw in 2017. Who knew?
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Post by JRinGeorgia on May 15, 2020 3:47:41 GMT -8
Walmart bought Moosejaw in 2017. Who knew? I did.
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Post by hikerjer on May 26, 2020 19:05:15 GMT -8
Serves a certain population, I suppose. Spoken like a true gear snob, I know.
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Post by rebeccad on May 26, 2020 21:17:59 GMT -8
Serves a certain population, I suppose. Spoken like a true gear snob, I know. For me it's not about gear snobbery. I just won't support Walmart.
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Post by Coolkat on Nov 25, 2020 10:03:25 GMT -8
I just won't support Walmart. I'll 2nd that. I refuse go through their doors unless it's really needed. However, when I first got started backpacking I didn't buy my stuff at walmart but I didn't purchase pricey stuff either since I wasn't real sure about myself and if I'd stick with it. Walmart has recognized that a lot of new people are entering the market and they want a share of that market. I agree with digger, they will soon migrate to rei and their competitors. Especially after finding out their $80 pack only lasted 7 trail days. I'm thinking I'm gonna have to start doing my hikes in remoter parts Canada to get away from the crowds.
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 25, 2020 10:05:49 GMT -8
I just won't support Walmart. I'll 2nd that. I refuse go through their doors unless it's really needed. However, when I first got started backpacking I didn't buy my stuff at walmart but I didn't purchase pricey stuff either since I wasn't real sure about myself and if I'd stick with it. Walmart has recognized that a lot of new people are entering the market and they want a share of that market. I agree with digger , they will soon migrate to rei and their competitors. Especially after finding out their $80 pack only lasted a 7 trail days. I'm thinking I'm gonna have to start doing my hikes in remoter parts Canada to get away from the crowds. I think that when amusement parks and the like reopen, most of those new backpackers and campers will return to their comfort zone. The ones who keep hiking will have a good chance of learning to do it well.
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Post by hikerjer on Nov 25, 2020 12:10:21 GMT -8
I just won't support Walmart. I felt that way for a long time. However, I've been going there lately simply because they are, along with Costco, one of the few grocery stores that actually enforce the mask mandate that exists in this state.
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Post by johntpenca on Nov 25, 2020 12:28:00 GMT -8
I'm thinking I'm gonna have to start doing my hikes in remoter parts Canada to get away from the crowds. Just my empirical observation, very few first timers ever do it again. Those that continue are welcome as they are likely to support environmental protection. To me this is an entry level market/budget strapped parents trying to outfit their children. Budget gear creates misery though.
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Post by Coolkat on Nov 25, 2020 12:36:34 GMT -8
Budget gear creates misery though. Good point. It's kind of like buying a huffy bike to see if you like mountain biking.
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rangewalker
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Post by rangewalker on Nov 26, 2020 19:31:10 GMT -8
If Walmart insists on pairing Coleman Butane/propane mix with their stoves, it may be over before it starts. I do not see if among this gang, but Amazon is flooded with knock-off Chinese ultralight gear that is sucking off as sizeable chunk of the new wave of outdoor newb enthusiasts. I hate Amazon more than I despise Walmart but I am trying to build a Dutch Canadian Franken bike for ice/snow travel from the frame out and Amazon is the only place I can ferret out all the bits and pieces I need in the COVID 19 bike market. I remember thirty years ago buying Coleman Peak 1 gear when I was trying to get gear that I could afford. That simple $85.00 Inyo-1 tent was one of the best first UL tent I have ever owned. It was pre-web and I had to get it in Walmart.
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Post by bluefish on Nov 27, 2020 2:08:54 GMT -8
The pandemic has turned the outdoors into a zoo, so Wallyworld is capitalizing. In my area, Wal mart pays fifteen bucks an hour to start, with some benefits. That's as good as almost all mfg. jobs starting pay and much easier and pleasant work. They are a good part of our local economy and have turned into a decent employer and community member. I use to hate them, now, not so much. My wife and I never made beaucoup bucks so, buying reduced clothing was on the table. I must admit, the prices are about equal with sales at EMS, where almost all outdoor clothing has been purchased by us in the past thirty years. I'll still get my outdoor stuff such as boots in small local stores, my work clothes and food in the GIANT. It's the only place to safely shop for us right now. When aisle 10 in sporting goods starts displaying cuben fiber tents and 950 fill down quilts I may change my perspective.
Wal-Mart is the second most generous of Fortune 500 companies, according to the Motley Fool financial site. Without them , my area's food banks would be in dire straits. The US has approximately 150 million workers, Wal-Mart employs 1.5 million of them. Even a Trump has a shot at getting that math. Eyeglasses and pharmaceuticals are so much cheaper seniors flock to Wally. If they start selling Ivankas's crap or an outdoor line promoted by Bwana Donnie Jr., I will stop my Wally addiction. C'mon, I only do it on weekends, everyone does it, it's legal, ain't it? I can stop anytime I want.
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Post by johntpenca on Nov 27, 2020 8:11:04 GMT -8
Thread drift: Why the hate for Walmart? As bluefish wrote, they offer pretty good pay and benefits. They also hire a significant minority workforce. In my local area (N. Little Rock) Walmart and Kroger are the only games in town. Kroger hasn't been worth going to for several months; their non-perishable food sections are nearly wiped out every time I've gone but produce and meats are decent. Frozen food section and toilet paper has been totally empty. So that leaves me with Walmart. They have been pretty well stocked. I used to look down on Walmart, but the more I shop there the more I appreciate their pricing and selection vs. Kroger. We do have a Fresh Market (where I buy my seafood) and a Whole Foods. They are a bit of a ways away though and the Whole Foods is pretty crappy versus the one I shopped at in Orange County, CA when I lived there. For some reason there has been another run on toilet paper for the last few weeks. The TP aisle was totally cleaned out the other day and the other more recent trips there has been only one brand with limited stock available.
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Post by cweston on Nov 27, 2020 8:43:24 GMT -8
It's the classic economic problem of the "winter boots."
You can purchase a quality pair of winter boots, that will last 6 years or more, for $100. Or, you can buy a cheap pair that will last one winter for $25. Which pair should you buy? Obviously the $100 pair, right? That's $16.67 per winter instead of $25 per winter.
Well, sure. If you have $100. Otherwise, you'll need to buy the $25 boots. Anyone reading this have a mortgage on your house? That's buying the $25 boots.
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Post by cweston on Nov 27, 2020 8:51:13 GMT -8
re: Walmart...
When I was a kid, I asked my mom why we so seldom shopped at K-Mart. Her response was something to the effect of "our people do not shop at K-Mart." (We were a white family, but I believe the intent was more classist than racist. The K-mart in our area was in what was known at the time as a "white trash" neighborhood. )
If we're being honest, this is part of the reason "we" hate on Walmart, prefer Target, etc. I also prefer Target's corporate policies: for example, they are deliberate about hiring LGBT+ persons, including trans persons.
I recently read that Walmart and McDonalds are 1 and 2 in having employees that are on public assistance. But I suspect that a decent percentage of all low wage workers are on public assistance. It's just that McDonalds and Walmart have the most low-wage employees.
And, of course, the establishment of Walmarts in smaller markets has been very hard on local retailers.
I also tend not to shop at Walmart, but I do, on my good days, anyway, at least try to be honest about the reasons why.
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