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Post by hs on Mar 28, 2020 7:27:06 GMT -8
I Look at tent for use in Sweden and Norway Alpine terian
Which material is outstanding in performance relative weight
I look at tent ho have 20 d silnylon another manufacturer have 40 or 69d
Is nylon better than polyester different threads per cm.
zize at tentpole with hub or not.
I want A tent ho is light but not in result that you is without protection after a ew days in A trip.
Double wall tent is my only experience with inner tent in thin breathable natural material.
Which manufacturer has best reputation at Market for reasonable price.
I look at tent from Bergans,Robens,Jack wolfskin,marmont.
I have test a tent with hubs and that broken then tentpole go down in 5+ m sek another with 2 pole looks good after it take away and landed before rein shell ben mout before tentsticks is down Marmot vapor 2p moss but weight 2925gr inkl Al and that to Hawy
I should test Exolite 1 now look for test Roben goldcrest 1,and Bergans trollhetta 1
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Post by panatomicx on Mar 28, 2020 9:38:02 GMT -8
Hilleberg. Very robust, double wall, 4 season tent. A Swedish company, I believe. Not inexpensive but very high quality.  |
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Post by hs on Mar 28, 2020 9:57:26 GMT -8
Thies cost as a caravan and you need A sherpa.
I have 3600gr 3p Caravan keb the company Hilleberg bought and start to develope new modells from.
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Post by panatomicx on Mar 28, 2020 10:41:21 GMT -8
They are not lightweight. We used a sled on this trip.
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Post by panatomicx on Mar 28, 2020 10:48:29 GMT -8
 This one? |
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Post by bradmacmt on Mar 28, 2020 11:28:39 GMT -8
I'd look very hard at this tent:
Or this: |
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 28, 2020 12:26:34 GMT -8
Robust=weight.
That’s just physics. Spread it out among the group and the burden gets shared while the safety remains. Robust winter shelters are a safety item. Skimping to shave off weight is a gamble.
Winter tents are built for the conditions.
Alpine use faces high winds threatening to crush the structure (you can help with that by site selection and building snow walls to deflect some of the force) and heavy snow load.
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Post by hs on Mar 28, 2020 15:04:07 GMT -8
I have thies tent in green good but 3600 gr dry could be more becouse of water absorb inner tent celing but advantage no condens inside even with 2 or 3p for long night. I have been sitting inside waiting for good weather mor than 24h still dry it must be terible in 1p nylon inner tent if you dont open ventilation and it been cold. Thies was 40 years ago and around 1500m in windy place near 2100m Kebenekaise higest mountin in Sweden in july and snow outside in the morning. But now have it been at litle bit warmer at sommer less now and you can use aother gear. If i dont find a good tent is thies construcion posible to downzize to reduce weigt or if i get good modern material sew a new one.next winter I do upholstering at my old car but now is Sale becouse start of depression becouse of Sad Cowe 19 decice and better to bay a tent.  Thies is hub from a Avendal Stadjan 2p tent first time try to set upp in 5 to 10 ms wind and tentpole bend it up. I dont now if problem for thies tent or Al type of construction then it look same at DAC website for parts to tent and thies is manufactur Al tent brand use.    |
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Post by gabby on Mar 29, 2020 8:20:26 GMT -8
It would almost be cheaper to buy another Stadjan if they're still on sale - about the same price as a set of new poles, if I read this correctly. I've done this before myself with several tents - when the entire tent was on sale. www.skistart.com/p-47447-aelvdal-stadjan-ultralight-2-person-tent.aspx regular 3295 kr, now 988 kr! However, I'd still get the Hilleberg: I myself have an Akto, a Soulo, an Unna and an Allak. And that's only because I'm "overly curious". un huh ... 8^DI wouldn't necessarily recommend the Akto or Unna for "alpine camping" because of the lighter fabric and fewer poles (esp. the Akto), but both the Soulo and Allak have 3 poles and are quite "robust". If you really want more "robust", however, I'd go for one of the "Black Label" Kerlon 1800/10mm pole tents (vs the Kerlon 1200/9mm poles of the "Red Label" series) like the Staika. The difference is about a pound extra for the Staika over the Allak. Still, there are other lighter tents out there that would be good enough. Alternatively, get a beefier set of poles and rig (DIY or hire someone online to customize for you) the tent as a two-pole (or even three-pole) arch with a makeshift "hub" (or just a velcro'd tie at the junction of all the poles) to link the two (or three) poles together. Of course, this is really not advisable: Petra Hilleberg herself told me once-upon-time (when I called to order the beefier 10mm poles for my Allak), that "if you want heavier poles - or you want to 'double pole" - it doesn't make sense to go with the lighter fabric". I don't know if Petra knows what she's talking about, but I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. FYI: I still bought the 10mm poles. |
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Post by hs on Mar 31, 2020 10:30:14 GMT -8
Call to Hilleberg and he recommend 40 denier att fly and 20 to 30 denier
and tentpole in A canal in fly and ventilation with double inner door with bug net and thighs get 1.5 to 1.7 kilogram weight if you go down to near 1kg you miss mutch in strong and water protection then it be some year old.
silnylon have not so good UV protection so even in Northern Europe Sun is A great problem and if you use it Sunny Area he recommend 70 denier and don't forget to take it down then you not use it or place it in a shadow
Tunnel tent for windy area and cupol for low land for more space
I should test Bergans trollhetta 1p Bergans have lock down support for Corona but in same tent design as Hilleberg Akto and same weight but
H.have a special material that China Manufacturer did not allow to sell to other Tentmaker but tentpole from same manufacturer as other but not the thinner one.
I have order Jack wolfskin Exolight but I understand that not recommend for colder use in Alpine terrain and could drop condens water in face.
The Most serious manufacturer I think then look At website is One planet
in Australia you can order tent and sleeping bag like Order A car you can
make several material combination after what you need and think want for extra safety and if you have A lot of money In your bank account.
In Scandinavia we have 25% sale tax and 30 to 70% salary tax and 32% tax for company on top of salary and if you get some profit after that 30% company tax.
Upon that have Central Bank of Sweden minus rate after many year of good times to get Export company a favor .
Then I was in US 1987 cost 1 US Dollar 5.9 SKR now is it 10.1 SKR
That result to you need to bay at sale and not by better product than you need.
That make I test Avedal stavjan but I get money back as A result of good photo and explanation o hove damage become.
I have test JW Exolite 1 indoors and nice space at high butt to small at bottom for me only 60cm.
Tentpole looks good and hub but fly has not so many threado it feel not strong enough in Mountain even if it 20 denier number of threads Avendal had 20 denier and 360 treads thighs feel enough even floor is not good enough to use in rough terrain without footprint.
New information about Hilleberg is that they have some problems with sewing in canal outside fly so strong wind shake tent so it gon to get up in sewing thread this has they now several year without solve these problems.
They even have an agreement of dealers NO SALE and is same price at every website only different sale tax in different country.
But if you sell to Sweden from one company abroad for more than some 100000 skr you have to pay same sales tax 25%as costumer bay in local store.
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