swmtnbackpacker
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Mar 7, 2020 7:37:00 GMT -8
The CDC is now advising those older than 60 to avoid crowded situations.. www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/coronavirus-older-people-social-distancing/index.htmlLooking to buy now-cheap airline tickets but a bit fearful flights will get cancelled if the economics get worse. Not sure what this will do to flying (or even driving) to my big family confabs this upcoming holiday season (was looking at Thanksgiving dinner). Posted this on the TPA thread so figured some here may need to see it.
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Hungry Jack
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Post by Hungry Jack on Mar 7, 2020 7:47:48 GMT -8
We are planning to go Puerto Rico in a week for spring break. I wonder if we will make the trip.
I had a talk today with Little Hungry. He's a little worried about this. I told him this: This virus is a lot like the flu. We are all going to be exposed to it. It will not kill us. The best thing we can do is to take good care of ourselves like we always do---get sleep, eat well, exercise, and enjoy like and not get too stressed. Our bodies have amazing immune systems designed to fight these things. Keep yourself strong, and you will be fine.
In my view, the virus is already all over the country, all over the world. It's just not diagnosed. Vulnerable people will be hit hard. Most people will be OK.
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Post by bradmacmt on Mar 7, 2020 7:52:49 GMT -8
In terms of your health, flying is safer than being in a typical office building, etc...
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whistlepunk
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Post by whistlepunk on Mar 7, 2020 17:20:33 GMT -8
So far, no change. Has not really impacted me. We shall see about the next few weeks...
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Post by zeke on Mar 7, 2020 17:45:28 GMT -8
A good friend has had a business conference canceled, so she isn't going to be in my town for a little visit afterwards. I'll miss seeing her. Other than that, we have yet to be affected. I am over 65, and my wife is 62, but she may be weaker and therefore more likely to contract the virus. I doubt either of us will die from it.
As for hoarding, I bought TP today so that if there is a run on it, we will have a couple of months to ride out the storm. I have 2 months of bp'ing food in the closet, in #10 cans. We may get bored with the lack of variety, but we'll eat.
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Post by gabby on Mar 7, 2020 18:03:06 GMT -8
I went to the grocery today and practiced "social distancing". It's a lot harder when no one else is trying to practice the rules you just read. Three people sneezed while I was in the same aisle (since I was focusing, it became something that was very obvious). The first guy, who was with his SO and a child, didn't even bother to cover his mouth. I found myself thinking, what if things were a lot more serious? What if there were 10K cases of <whatever> in the state? Would people start acting different? I'm thinking that's a big, fat "no". In any case, there are always 10K cases of something in the state. All these other viruses have been around for bleeding forever, and I don't get sick all that often.
Anyway, it was just an experiment. You can't escape your own fate, whatever it is.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 7, 2020 18:33:00 GMT -8
^that 10k cases of something^ is my silver lining. General sanitation in and out of hospitals can use an upgrade and along with everything else this issue could push some much needed changes. Get people taking vaccination more seriously? >> Cut into those tens of millions of influenza cases and the forty thousand plus dead here in the states... as well as all the hospital acquired illness that kill so many.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 7, 2020 19:03:10 GMT -8
One negative I just noticed: Amtrak is canceling it’s non stop Acela D. C. service through May; leading me to expect public transportation is going to take a ridership hit. And with a lot of travel being habitual, the downturn could last quite a while. (transit strikes loss of ridership can last years).
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davesenesac
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 7, 2020 22:38:51 GMT -8
Corona virus cases here on 3/7/20 in my county are now up over 20. Not thinking at all about it except after seeing it so much now in front page web news. If I ever have serious reason to think I may have been exposed, will likely use the following 800 fill down balaclava product I own at night around my head and upper chest in order to raise my body temperature in that area as it is likely those viruses are like other respiratory viruses that multiply at highest rates in areas of the body with temperatures in the low 90F degree range that would be the nasal passages, mouth, and other primary respiratory pathways. In other words if they attack those airway parts of the body, it is likely because of the same cooler reason but to this point is just speculation. Although making one's head extra warm could be uncomfortable, that can be offset by putting one's legs out in the open air.
sectionhiker.com/montbell-down-balaclava-hood-review/
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 8, 2020 8:32:28 GMT -8
If I ever have serious reason to think I may have been exposed, will likely use the following 800 fill down balaclava product I own at night around my head and upper chest in order to raise my body temperature in that area as it is likely those viruses are like other respiratory viruses that multiply at highest rates in areas of the body with temperatures in the low 90F degree range that would be the nasal passages, mouth, and other primary respiratory pathways. OMG I hope no one else embraces this wrong headed belief.
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davesenesac
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 8, 2020 9:05:56 GMT -8
If I ever have serious reason to think I may have been exposed, will likely use the following 800 fill down balaclava product I own at night around my head and upper chest in order to raise my body temperature in that area as it is likely those viruses are like other respiratory viruses that multiply at highest rates in areas of the body with temperatures in the low 90F degree range that would be the nasal passages, mouth, and other primary respiratory pathways. OMG I hope no one else embraces this wrong headed belief. Ernie if you didn't bother to read my web page I linked to, please look at the Rhinovirus Wikipedia page that states right at the top.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinovirus
The rhinovirus is the most common viral infectious agent in humans and is the predominant cause of the common cold. Rhinovirus infection proliferates in temperatures of 33–35 °C (91–95 °F), the temperatures found in the nose. Rhinoviruses belong to the genus Enterovirus in the family Picornaviridae... The seasonality may be due to the start of the school year and to people spending more time indoors (thus in proximity with each other), thereby increasing the chance of transmission of the virus. Lower ambient, especially outdoor, temperatures may also be factor[4] given that rhinoviruses preferentially replicate at 32 °C (89 °F) as opposed to 37 °C (98 °F) – see following section... Human rhinoviruses preferentially grow at 32 °C (89 °F), notably colder than the average human body temperature of 37 °C (98 °F); hence the virus's tendency to infect the upper respiratory tract, where respiratory airflow is in continual contact with the (colder) extrasomatic environment. -----------------
This more recent study also confirms the human body immune response is also less effective at the lower temperatures at which these viral cells multiply at best:
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150105170014.htm
"We found that the innate immune response to the rhinovirus is impaired at the lower body temperature compared to the core body temperature," Iwasaki said... "In general, the lower the temperature, it seems the lower the innate immune response to viruses," noted Iwasaki. In other words, the research may give credence to the old wives' tale that people should keep warm, and even cover their noses, to avoid catching colds. ---------------------- One can find more web hits searching on "rhinovirus temperature" with the same story that has just come into public news light this decade. The strategy of knocking out rhinovirus infections at the early point they begin to overtake our white blood cell defenses by keeping the upper respiratory tract warmer than normal is now undergoing actual research given the Yale study. But is the corona virus temperature dependent likewise? Well that is an unknown we will find out about as winter wanes and intense research increases.
www.discovermagazine.com/health/mom-was-right-youll-catch-a-cold-from-being-cold
Countless energetic children are told this every day as they zoom outside for playtime. But as kids grow up, this bit of advice is usually dismissed as an age-old, superstitious epithet. A virus, not the temperature, is what makes us sick, right? Well yes. But it turns out mom’s advice contains a kernel of truth too. Yale researchers studying the rhinovirus — the common cold virus — have found a link between temperature and our body’s ability to fight a cold. The colder we get, the easier it is for the rhinovirus to trounce us into sniffling, sneezing defeat.
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Post by autumnmist on Mar 8, 2020 10:03:22 GMT -8
other respiratory viruses that multiply at highest rates in areas of the body with temperatures in the low 90F degree range that would be the nasal passages, mouth, and other primary respiratory pathways. In other words if they attack those airway parts of the body, it is likely because of the same cooler reason but to this point is just speculation. Isn't it also b/c the access to the internal respiratory passages are in fact in the upper portion of the body, not the lower ones (unless someone has open wounds, or something like lymphedema and if so, there are serious medical problems with that well beyond the issue of respiration). The extremities can also be lower in temperature, especially the hands and feet, but they're also more distant from the respiratory system and not as permeable. I guess upper respiratory systems that are cooler would challenge the image of hotheads with explosive and volatile temperaments. Seriously, interesting concept. I appreciate and respect your analytical approach. I'm trying to picture your head wrapped in a balaclava and your legs bare, sticking out...I do hope you employ this curative method in the privacy of your own home! On a separate issue, most of what I've read are statistics, but I've been wondering if anyone has read anything about repeat potential, and if it's possible to be infected more than once. Most of the information I'm finding addresses repeated testing, not repeated infection. I suspect a lot more won't be known until extensive testing is done and post outbreak analysis is more feasible.
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 8, 2020 10:07:35 GMT -8
Very simply if this was effective strategy why wouldn't doctors more widely recommend this?
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Post by autumnmist on Mar 8, 2020 10:12:35 GMT -8
ErnieW , and why wouldn't they recommend masks, since that would help keep the mouth warm? I'm reading and hearing more "advice" NOT to wear masks.
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davesenesac
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 8, 2020 11:37:15 GMT -8
Very simply if this was effective strategy why wouldn't doctors more widely recommend this? Because it is a recent medical research development that for years grated against decades of the widespread old wives tales laughed at treatment. Until further credible studies validate the research and suggest treatment options, even doctors that are familiar with the news for legal and peer criticism reasons, won't publicly recommend such as a head cold treatment to the public, much less the corona virus.
The CDC and other news media statements about people not buying masks is because there is now a lack of masks for health care workers that need them most. This credible study shows N95 and P100 can be effective filters for microbes including viruses.
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