Five hikers rescued on trip to McCandless bus

It went out the window with the arrival of cell phones.

The deaths in these places pale to those in large cities.....and on highways.

Just saying....

That is what I have a problem with. It's one thing to have laws that protect us as a population from other people's idiocy/foolish acts (DUI, speed limits, etc.). It's another to have laws or other regulations to inhibit our ability to choose what activities we wish to pursue.

Admittedly, my reference to Darwin was glib. The linked article did not give enough information to assume the party rescued was unprepared or otherwise over their heads.

Personally, I don't have a dog in the fight. Leave the bus or remove it. Doesn't really matter to me. It would be simple enough to send a big military helo in to lift it out as part of a training mission.

I don't think a bunch of new laws is the answer either. But someone could come up with a creative solution, maybe. I like autumnmist 's idea, because it's sort of "self-financing", and the "tourists" could say they'd been there. (I guess) But you'd still need a fence or some kind of barrier to keep people from going inside the bus, or stealing the tires, or something. (I don't like the idea of barriers either.)

I remember walking up a trail in Hawaii while driving along the Hana road on Maui as a tourist myself. From a bridge across from a relatively large waterfall, there were a few dozen people down there, at the bottom of the falls, getting wet - granted - on a somewhat hot day, in clear violation of a sign which prohibited anyone from even walking into the river, and against the even more reasonable prohibition, for safety's sake, against standing directly under a waterfall - something which is posted at virtually every waterfall in Hawaii - for the good reason that rocks are, in fact, washed down watercourses all the time. Standing under a waterfall at the bottom of a hundred foot (or better) waterfall is not a very good idea. But it's something a lot of idiots (or ill-informed persons) do all the time.

Look at these idiots at Manoa Falls, which is, BTW, a very nice hike through the jungle, even if it is pretty crowded. Suggestion: don't go if it has rained the day before, or anytime recently. You will encounter mud and slippery surfaces. There are, however, no signs warning you not to go, just warnings about watching for "slippery footing". (There's a stream next to the path, and it's sometimes a few feet, sometimes 10' or so, down to it.)


Yes, there IS a sign. In fact, there's more than one, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. There were a dozen people in the water the day I hiked there.: