texasbb
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Post by texasbb on Jan 19, 2020 19:34:11 GMT -8
Interesting, and probably good. Looks like my Exped Synmat HL is less insulating than originally advertised--and I believe that.
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Post by gabby on Jan 19, 2020 21:17:11 GMT -8
Strangely, some of the R-values went up while others went down.
I want one of those Exped Megamats - for the car and the road (and in case I'm tossed out on my keister by the wife).
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Post by Westy on Jan 20, 2020 4:49:51 GMT -8
Encouraging to know that some backcountry gear OEMs have taken the time and effort to report a specification that is incompliance with an international engineering standard.
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Post by bradmacmt on Jan 20, 2020 6:57:09 GMT -8
The article says:
"You can use the table below to determine whether you’re looking at a product listing with an old R-value or one with a new R-value."If I'm reading correctly, I think the author of the piece misunderstands, or at least leaves the wrong impression. The pads have not changed, their R-values have been recalculated. Hence, on Thermarest's site, all the pads have been "updated." As far as I can tell, nothing about the pads have actually changed except the stated R Values through a new standardized process.
Thanks for the link Ohm.
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Post by cweston on Jan 20, 2020 8:04:38 GMT -8
Ha. I saw the subject line and mistakenly thought it was a post in The Political Arena.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 20, 2020 9:56:06 GMT -8
Still wish Thermarest would bring back the rectangular XLite pads in short. Keep the mummy shape for full-length pads, but you pretty much have to BE a mummy to sleep on a pad that goes full mummy in 40”. I’m still stuck with my too-fragile BA for a truly light rectangle.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Jan 20, 2020 13:52:08 GMT -8
The article says:
"You can use the table below to determine whether you’re looking at a product listing with an old R-value or one with a new R-value."If I'm reading correctly, I think the author of the piece misunderstands, or at least leaves the wrong impression. The pads have not changed, their R-values have been recalculated. I don't see the article as reflecting anything different than what you're saying. Old R-value vs. new R-value, not old product vs. new product. But, without the table, hard to know if a given listing is showing the updated R-value or not. Interesting to me that the TAR NeoAir Xlite has a significantly higher R-value than used to be quoted. It's already super-comfy and ultralight, now it's warmer than we thought. Makes it a true shoulder-season pad. |
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Jan 20, 2020 19:10:03 GMT -8
now it's warmer than we thought. Actually, I'm not sure that's true. Is it warmer than we thought, or does it mean that we now realize it takes a higher R value to achieve a given amount of warmth than we used to think? |
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jan 21, 2020 10:03:13 GMT -8
Likely the sale is cheaper than relabeling, plus some new nozzles on the Thermarest inflator series .. it is what it is.
I’ve been using the Xlite for so long, I pretty much base everything off of it temperature-wise.
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