ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 21, 2019 8:25:48 GMT -8
There's are thousands of MD's world-wide that embrace this way of eating. That would put them in the serious minority since the best estimate I could find is that there are 10-15 million doctors in the world
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Post by bradmacmt on Sept 21, 2019 9:07:59 GMT -8
Ernie, you've studiously avoided commenting on your own health... that's fine. You can continue with your Western, heart disease filled, plaque producing, acidic, inflammation inducing diet. You only have yourself to please. For anyone sick and tired of being sick and tired, there is a better way to eat (and BTW, few MD's know the first thing about nutrition). They're not taught it. They push pills and cut. Those that are exploring diet are finding amazing reversals of plaque, heart disease, diabetes, etc., through a whole food, plant based diet. So for anyone interested (I don't debate nutrition, I prefer to live it), here are some good resources to totally revolutionize your health (All these doc's have "programs" and "products", but all make all their recipes and knowledge available for free. It's expensive to maintain what they do for free, so the products and books offset the cost): On Netflix, the documentary "Forks Over Knives" is a great place to start.
Another great documentary to help inspire change, with dozens of testimonials by MD's whose lives changed by making the switch to a plant based diet: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8sGE5n-i1Q www.ornish.com/Dr. Esselstyn was the first to figure out Plaque could be reversed with diet... when heart surgeons end up with heart attacks, Esselstyn is usually their first stop: www.dresselstyn.com/site/nutritionstudies.org/www.drmcdougall.com/www.drfuhrman.com/www.forksoverknives.com/www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=food%20is%20medicine%20australia&epa=SEARCH_BOXwww.facebook.com/search/top/?q=eating%20you%20alive&epa=SEARCH_BOXDr. Gregor... he's awesome: www.youtube.com/user/NutritionFactsOrg/videosGood resources: www.theveganjunction.com/oil-free-plant-based-recipe-websites-2019/Ewww.theveganjunction.com/top-healthy-plant-based-youtube-channels/
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Post by bradmacmt on Sept 21, 2019 9:23:35 GMT -8
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 21, 2019 9:39:15 GMT -8
Ernie, you've studiously avoided commenting on your own health... that's fine. You can continue with your Western, heart disease filled, plaque producing, acidic, inflammation inducing diet. You only have yourself to please. You do know that I am a strict vegan and participate on the board via a satellite connection from Tibet right?
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Post by reuben on Sept 21, 2019 9:43:01 GMT -8
You can continue with your Western, heart disease filled, plaque producing, acidic, inflammation inducing diet. That's a lot of assumptions in one sentence.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 21, 2019 9:56:11 GMT -8
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Post by autumnmist on Sept 22, 2019 8:02:21 GMT -8
bradmacmt, I'm assuming that you grow ALL the plant based foods that you eat, and that they're all grown organically? On another subject, the issue of processed foods with additives, specifically ones that have been proven to contain carcinogens, is something that should be considered in anyone's diet. And if you really want to expand the healthy living diet, consider all the nonfood substances to which humans are exposed that affect our health, such as air pollution. I won't argue that a good healthy diet is desirable, but I think there are always going to be slight variations by individual, and that is his/her choice. And foods need to be grown organically. Oatmeal may be good healthy food, but not if it's grown commercially and subject to pesticide use.
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Post by whistlepunk on Sept 22, 2019 16:21:27 GMT -8
The notion that our food supply is contaminated with pesticides is patently false. The EPA and USDA have on ongoing program testing for 900 different pesticide and chemical residues. As a whole the American food supply is safe, well below any threshold of of health risk. Here is a pdf explaining the program, and all the data going back decades is available for download. www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/PDP%20factsheet.pdf
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Post by autumnmist on Sept 22, 2019 18:59:30 GMT -8
whistlepunk , I will take issue with you, but won't get in an argument over it. We're each entitled to our own opinions. And sorry, but I wouldn't put much faith in the USDA.
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Post by cweston on Sept 23, 2019 4:19:55 GMT -8
This thread is an excellent illustration of how hard it is to "eat correctly" when there are so many competing theories out there about what "eating correctly" is. Furthermore, passions run very high on this topic: the decision of what foods to eat is such a deeply personal decision that people become very defensive about their choices.
I personally am not willing to "go all in" on any particular specific dietary strategy, because it's too hard to know with any certainty which scheme to go all in on. I prefer to eat a balanced diet with as much real food (as opposed to processed food) as possible, and enjoy things like sat fats and simple carbs in controlled amounts.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Sept 23, 2019 4:56:55 GMT -8
A good article stating the flaws in the recent study: www.runnersworld.com/news/a26868477/are-eggs-healthy/BTW, it's been shown time and time again that dietary cholesterol does not have a significant impact on serum cholesterol. Saturated fat does. And one egg only contains 8% of the USDA allowance for saturated fat. Again, moderation.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 23, 2019 8:11:00 GMT -8
My mom who was a moderate meat consumer and rarely ate eggs had issues in her later years with very high cholesterol. My father ate meat like it was going out of style and eggs every Sunday if not more. He had a carving tray for steak and would collect the beef juices and add salt and drink it down. He had very low cholesterol.
And to add to how much you can't know about diet so definitely there is evidence that the link between plaque build up and cholesterol may not be there at all for some people. Some people can have high cholesterol but not get plaque build up.
I think of the example of salt. Across the whole population increased salt means increased health issues. But looking closer some people have no issues with salt, some have a slight temporary rise and some salt shoots their BP high and it stays up with the associated health issues. Unfortunately when you average them all together it says salt is bad. But for a given individual salt may or may not be bad.
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Post by rebeccad on Sept 26, 2019 7:05:44 GMT -8
Interesting discussion, which I trust will remain civil . I’m in the “moderation in (most) things” camp. Try to maximize fruits and veggies, minimize meats, and keep my carbs whole-grain, unless and until I find some medical reason to change any of that.
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Post by plaidman on Sept 26, 2019 10:07:13 GMT -8
I nominate as the next candidate for drifting this thread "egos will kill you." Or maybe "Eggos."
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Post by autumnmist on Sept 26, 2019 10:43:18 GMT -8
JMHO, but I don't think heredity has been amply considered as a factor. Nor have personal disposition and ability to tolerate severe stressors.
My father was 5'10" and weighed 135 pounds all his adult life except for once when he felt he "got fat" and weighed 150 pounds, before dieting back down. Dad ate whatever he wanted, including KFC chicken (yuck). He lived to be 99.5 years old, and was still walking (with just a walker) a few months before he died.
My sister was slender as well (110 pounds), worked out, ran, taught exercise classes, was a psych nurse, ate healthy food, but couldn't walk for the last few months of her life, and died at 56 of cancer.
Dad was in the CCC, National Guard, and AF. My sister worked with disadvantaged kids, was a Big Sister, and eventually adopted a child who unbeknownst to her had been D'X'ed as sociopathic before he was 12; he ruined her life. Sometimes there's just no accounting or factoring in someone's diet when other forces are powerful determinants.
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