schlanky
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Post by schlanky on Jul 9, 2019 10:20:16 GMT -8
I do find it amusing when people eat veggie burgers that "taste just like real burgers". My Impossible Burger experience was an accident. I was in a restaurant in Denver and they had a few different vegan burger options. I asked the server what she recommended, and she raved about that one. I hadn't heard of it before then and didn't realize what it was. I looked it up later and saw it was engineered to closely resemble beef. In that regard, I thought they were pretty spot on. If I'd have realized what it was, I never would have ordered it. I view the Impossible Burger and similar products as vegetarian options for non-vegetarians---for folks who are doing Meatless Mondays or cutting down on real meat for whatever reason, but folks who like beef. These days, I don't buy many items made with animal hide because there are other options out there just as good in my opinion for my applications, but I do still wear a couple of old leather jackets that I've had for a really long time. I wouldn't buy them today, but they're already in my closet---at this point, it would be a much greater "offense" (for lack of better word) in my mind to throw them away than to just keep using them. I completely get Lamebeaver 's taking exception to folks being hypocrites---if you say you're for animal rights and think people shouldn't eat meat, you probably shouldn't wear leather, furs etc. In my case, it's not so much being against killing animals. I definitely see it as an additional benefit of how I eat, but that's not at all why I don't eat meat. I don't eat meat because I find it gross and unappetizing TO ME, but I also think it's generally none of my business what other folks find appetizing.
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Post by graywolf on Jul 9, 2019 10:43:26 GMT -8
Todays lunch is a veggie sandwich. Two slices of Genesis sprouted grain and seed bread, a slice of sweet onion, swiss cheese. romaine lettuce, bell pepper, cucumber and sliced carrot. Celery on the side.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jul 9, 2019 11:27:42 GMT -8
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Post by schlanky on Jul 9, 2019 11:43:21 GMT -8
Though the impossible meat substitute has some healthy characteristics, these are more a play on reducing future global growth of feedlots For those interested, Freakonomics had a podcast about Impossible.
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Post by rebeccad on Jul 9, 2019 12:05:15 GMT -8
I have lots of good dinner recipes that don’t involve meat, and use them in a random fashion. I’d say at a minimum we are meatless 2 nights a week, though right now I’m kind of on a turkey sandwich kick (grilled, with cheddar and fresh home-grown tomatoes, not to mention home-made zucchini relish). I have never found it hard to skip meats, though I understand the issue for those who need to cut carbs. FWIW, I’ve shifted almost all our carbs to whole grains, which may not be adequate for diabetics, but is a pretty good compromise for the rest of us. Re the Impossible Burger, we tried one in San Diego a few weeks ago as well, and while I wouldn’t have mistaken it for a high-end beef patty, the main reason it was obviously not beef at all was that it was fairly heavily seasoned—something restaurants almost never do with real meat. In this case, the price was pretty much the same as the meat-based burgers. My motivations for skipping the meat (and more and more I’m skipping red meat entirely) are almost all environmental. Though I’m thinking about finding a local source for sustainably-raised beef, because I have to say I like the stuff (And grass-fed all the way is WAY tastier than the run-of-the-mill grocery store beef).
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Post by ErnieW on Jul 9, 2019 12:37:14 GMT -8
I read a sci fi story that put forth that the plants of a distant world were the truly sentient beings. Basically they just hung out in the sun and communed with the universe. The evil ones were the giant caterpillars that came and ate those poor plants.
I always wonder about the moral argument about eating animals. Aren't plants just as alive?
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Post by jazzmom on Jul 9, 2019 14:05:54 GMT -8
Is anyone else doing or have considered doing the meatless thing? I don't plan it deliberately but it happens at least once or twice a week, especially in summer when a variety of good vegetables are available. I like Japanese food, Indian food, and they both have a lot of classic dishes that don't rely on meat. I also make a lot of soups and they're usually meatless. Big fan of pasta with various vegetables like mushrooms, artichokes, peas, basil, tomatoes... options are endless. Don't get me wrong. I love meat and seafood, and not interested at all in giving them up altogether. I rarely have meat for breakfast or lunch, so it's really just about dinner anyway. The thing I would have a really tough time getting through a day without is dairy. Butter, cream, cheese.
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Post by autumnmist on Jul 9, 2019 14:21:56 GMT -8
Since there is so much controversy over foods being unhealthy in one way or another maybe just not eating is the way to live forever. That would certainly save a lot of money, but then if you're dead from starvation money and food doesn't mean much, does it? Sometimes I wish we had the adaptability of bears and whales, going w/o food during hibernation or migration after giving birth. Back to the issue of meat, how do those of you who give it up get your necessary iron intake? That's been the biggest problem I've experienced when not eating meat, unless I have a spinach salad daily (which I love anyway). But generally, no meat = no energy.
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Post by davesenesac on Jul 9, 2019 15:19:04 GMT -8
Of course some are vegetarians. I eat meat infrequently though much enjoy eating meat so its a matter of self control. These days most of the meat I do eat is chicken in soups. Most of my protein is from dairy and yeah lots of milk, cheese, yogurt. I eat lots of sugar too and never was afraid of carbs but then my BMI has always been about 21-23 and now in decade 8 am still lively with few gray hairs or wrinkles.
As a school kid packed PBJ's instead of meat sandwiches most others ate and at home it was fish on Fridays. The only periods during my adult life I ate meat more regularly was when I worked 6 years at Cisco Systems as they had quality dirt cheap dinners at their in campus cafeterias that was mostly usual meat stuff. And it noticeably aged me more than any other period of my life. As an adult I've infrequently eaten breakfast and don't miss it though when backpacking usually stuff some granola down. The long digestive system quiet period from evening to noon the next day probably slows aging.
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Post by schlanky on Jul 9, 2019 15:42:21 GMT -8
how do those of you who give it up get your necessary iron intake? For vitamin deficiencies, I take a daily B12 and D3 plus a hodgepodge of dietary choices to get what I need. I eat tofu occasionally. I eat lots and lots of legumes and nuts. I eat a lot of broccoli and olives and quinoa. And I occasionally wilt some spinach for a side dish. I have to get my blood tested a couple of times per year for medical reasons (not for legal reasons ) and they also test vitamin levels, and it's always fine. I think females generally have more issues with iron than males though if I'm remembering correctly. I have a female friend who is a vegetarian except every few months, she craves a steak and eats one and then she doesn't want a steak again for several months. I get a deficiency on the trail sometimes. If I'm doing a lot of miles, late into the second or third day, I crave pepperoni pizza. It's the only meat I ever crave and the only time it ever happens is on the trail.
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Post by schlanky on Jul 9, 2019 15:53:11 GMT -8
I like Japanese food, Indian food, and they both have a lot of classic dishes that don't rely on meat. I think I may need the jazzmom cookbook. I make a pretty good korma with rice and I just learned to make naan. I would be curious to know some dishes to google for vegetarian Japanese recipes.
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Post by desert dweller on Jul 9, 2019 16:42:31 GMT -8
I like Japanese food, Indian food, and they both have a lot of classic dishes that don't rely on meat. I'm becoming a fan of the Indian simmer sauces that the local Sprouts sell. Ingredients are clean and not too salty. What's good is that the sauces come in many styles and flavors and are just right for having with rice, pasta or potatoes. Adding grilled chicken or some other meat adds another dimension. All most all of the meals I make at home are served in bowls.
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Post by jazzmom on Jul 9, 2019 18:36:22 GMT -8
I would be curious to know some dishes to google for vegetarian Japanese recipes. Try vegetable tempura, noodle dishes like udon, soba, tofu dishes. "Shojin" style in Japan is from Buddhist monasteries and uses no animal products at all. Predominantly tofu, vegetables, rice.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jul 11, 2019 9:28:45 GMT -8
On the methane front, just listening now to Bloomberg’s Commodities Edge and they mentioned a company is working to genetically modify cows (and/or their microflora) to pass less flatulence (or as the reporter said “... cut less cheese”). Even business television is getting more “woke” I guess, but this is after a report that private equity was all in on “meatless” meat.
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