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Post by rebeccad on Jul 9, 2019 12:17:38 GMT -8
We seem really stuck in a world-view (maybe in part based in homophobia) that lets girls have male heroes, but is appalled if a boy likes a girl hero (“you want a Wonder Woman lunchbox? Are you kidding?”). Even 45 years ago, no one blinked because I liked the Hardy Boys over Nancy Drew. But I bet even now a boy who prefers Nancy will be subject to all sorts of grief. Why? Because males shouldn’t be admiring those naturally inferior females (and/or because oh, god, that might make you gay!). Hard to elect women leaders (or pay female sports stars fairly) if men aren’t allowed to admire women for their accomplishments, pure and simple.
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Post by jazzmom on Jul 9, 2019 12:20:16 GMT -8
I'm not sure if you think i'm arguing against you or what. I'm all for equal pay for International tournaments. It seems silly not to. My concern is the women's professional league (Here in the US). Its a complete mess. It needs funding, real stadiums, partner clubs, a longer season, more teams, everything. No, not at all. Just that I'm not convinced that Europe supports their women soccer players that much better, at least relative to *their* male counterparts. Do you think that our men's leagues here are in that much better shape than the women's?
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Post by FamilySherpa on Jul 9, 2019 12:52:15 GMT -8
I'm not sure if you think i'm arguing against you or what. I'm all for equal pay for International tournaments. It seems silly not to. My concern is the women's professional league (Here in the US). Its a complete mess. It needs funding, real stadiums, partner clubs, a longer season, more teams, everything. No, not at all. Just that I'm not convinced that Europe supports their women soccer players that much better, at least relative to *their* male counterparts. Do you think that our men's leagues here are in that much better shape than the women's? Soccer is a mess in the US. There is no pyramid and dont even get me started on pay to play. But at least the MLS is expanding no matter how terrible the franchise model is, its at least exposing the sport to most of the country. NWSL only has 9 teams that barely play any games.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jul 9, 2019 13:29:51 GMT -8
When the fans won’t attend, or watch what’s there to do? And where does the funding come from?
Grand Slam tennis has the advantage with everyone competing at the same venue at the same time (though I get frustrated with the women's smaller offering: best of three means less entertainment v. the men’s best of 5 and, at least when my favorite loses, I see too much “chance” ; have a bad set and you’re cooked having to lose only one more: best of 5 and there’s a chance to dig back)) . World Cups are held years apart and often on different continents.
Fifa making the argument to broadcasters to pay for a unified broadcast rights package (the money pot) for two such separate events so as to rationalize (perhaps) a single bonus pool out of which to pay the national federations equally looks to be a challenge.
A start on the national side might be eliminate, for contract purposes, the separate teams under USSF. Negotiate one players agreement for all U. S. players? I wonder what the mediation (which has been agreed to recently)!will come up with?
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Post by jazzmom on Jul 10, 2019 6:27:43 GMT -8
Fifa making the argument to broadcasters to pay for a unified broadcast rights package (the money pot) for two such separate events so as to rationalize (perhaps) a single bonus pool out of which to pay the national federations equally looks to be a challenge. FIFA has a budget. They control it. They expect to earn $6.5 billion during the 2018-2022 cycle and it expects to end the 2022 Men's World Cup with almost $2 billion in reserves. FIFA should be perfectly capable of budgeting more equitable prize pots.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jul 10, 2019 7:00:51 GMT -8
Fifa making the argument to broadcasters to pay for a unified broadcast rights package (the money pot) for two such separate events so as to rationalize (perhaps) a single bonus pool out of which to pay the national federations equally looks to be a challenge. FIFA has a budget. They control it. They expect to earn $6.5 billion during the 2018-2022 cycle and it expects to end the 2022 Men's World Cup with almost $2 billion in reserves. FIFA should be perfectly capable of budgeting more equitable prize pots. What are the specific, with a link, respective earnings totals for the last couple of women’s and men’s World Cup events? I’ve seen various speculations but nothing documented even as far as just the level of the Forbes sports franchise valuations. Of that $6.5 billion how much is from men’s World Cups and how much from women’s? ETA: One link reporting the previous two events, women 2015 and men 2018: “The Women's World Cup in 2015 reportedly raked in $73m (£57m) in revenues, including $17m (£13m) in television commercials alone in the United States. But these are just fractions of the $6b (£4b) of revenue that the 2018 Men's World Cup brought in in Russia.” www.goal.com/en/news/what-is-fifas-prize-money-for-the-womens-world-cup-2019-how-does-/1prr3je0vxxyk193owz0eijhj4
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Post by RumiDude on Jul 10, 2019 7:23:21 GMT -8
I have a feeling some of these women are going to worshipped very very much like male stars... This thread needs a soundtrack ... Rumi <~~~~bows down and prays to every woman
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Post by jazzmom on Jul 10, 2019 7:28:45 GMT -8
What are the specific, with a link, respective earnings totals for the last couple of women’s and men’s World Cup events? www.fifa.com/about-fifa/what-we-do/governance/finances/But, seriously, are you (and so, so many men out there...) seriously arguing that the reason why women get paid less is simply because they don't bring in as much money to the sport? That women don't deserve an even *remotely* equitable prize pot for the World Cup unless they can *prove* that they do? The only sports where women earn *as much* as men do are those where they dominate, like figure skating. This "when you bring in the money..." excuse has been used literally forever to keep women "in their place" in every facet of life and society. I realize it's convenient but it's old and it's not going to work much longer.
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Post by RumiDude on Jul 10, 2019 7:30:00 GMT -8
And ...
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Post by RumiDude on Jul 10, 2019 7:43:38 GMT -8
But, seriously, are you (and so, so many men out there...) seriously arguing that the reason why women get paid less is simply because they don't bring in as much money to the sport? That women don't deserve an even *remotely* equitable prize pot for the World Cup unless they can *prove* that they do? One of the issues is simply how heavily a sport is promoted both as a spectacle and as a sport in general. In the US, the latter is a huge factor. Soccer is promoted in a huge way. There are leagues like little league baseball and Pop Warner football used to be for boys. There are mutitude indoor facilities devoted to the sport for women. Just in the last few years womens soccer has been promoted as entertainment. Promotion of a sport can help make it popular and profitable. Lack of promotion almost guarantees a sport will remain unprofitable. Title 9 can only do so much. Rumi
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Post by zeke on Jul 10, 2019 8:19:45 GMT -8
IMO, FIFA needs to pool all of their $, and then figure out how to make the pay equitable. We're only talking about the World Cups, right? Male players shouldn't be getting 10X the women's salary, on average. Minimums should be close to equal. It isn't easier to be a top echelon athlete for women, so why pay them less? When one governing body controls both events, they need to be cognizant of the inequalities of paying more $ to the players of one and not the other. $500 Million in prize money? $250 Mil to each WC seems only right.
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