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Post by desertsp on Apr 22, 2019 18:34:58 GMT -8
My wife, two dogs, and I are planning a CO backpacking trip this summer and are looking for suggestions. We have four nights and five days and will be starting/ending in the Fort Collins area, willing to drive up to 6 hours. Looking for something on the milder end of the spectrum, particular with our older dogs and the last trip I planned (wife’s 1st time backpacking) having been “too steep and long” (7.5 miles and 2500’ the first day). She is willing to let me try again The plan is to setup a basecamp 5 to 10 miles from the car, and then do a couple of day hikes from there. I think this will satisfy my desire to cover some distance and get away from the most crowded areas, and will be fun and relaxing for her and not too hard on the dogs. I also want to do some photography so the extra downtime will be supportive of that. Depending on the overall distance/elevation, as well as driving time from Ft. Collins, we would allow for one or two “zero days”, and two or three travel days. I have a few ideas. Anyone have similar/related suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance! - Eagles Nest Wilderness. Surprise Lake to Cataract or Mirror Lake. Dayhike up to Elliot Ridge.
- Raggeds Wilderness (between Crested Butte and Aspen). Camp in the Oh Be Joyful valley near Democrat Basin, and dayhike further up the valley, and maybe over the nearby passes.
- Flat Tops. Starting at Trapper Lake and setting up camp near Island Lake. The first night would be near Parvin Lake.
- Holy Cross Wildeness. The small loop including Fancy Lake and Missouri Lakes. Maybe camp west of Missouri Pass.
Rawah Wilderness. Come in from the east (West Branch Trailhead) and spend a couple days around the lakes. We don’t fish...is there enough to keep us busy?
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Post by burntfoot on Apr 26, 2019 19:45:03 GMT -8
I've done the bottom 3 on your list.
There is a basin near treeline on the right side of the Oh-Be-Joyful valley (I believe Democrat Basin) that I've camped in. Beauty blew me away. Day hikes from there could be Oh-Be-Joyful Pass on one side and Daisy Pass on the other. If you go over Daisy Pass, you could traverse over to Angel Pass and a few fairly high peaks. For your wife, I'd recommend just going up to the passes on 2 different days. And, along the same lines, you could take 2 days to get up to that basin, and camp in the main valley the first night before the trail splits. And, to the left of the split are some nice lakes (Peeler, Green, Blue).
I've also done the Flattops from Trappers Lake. I liked camping near Wall Lake up on top. And, the routes you can take up there are limitless. But, be aware that once on the plateau above Trappers, you are above treeline. Afternoon thunderstorms could be an issue later in the summer with no place to retreat unless you were close enough to the drop-down back to Trappers Lake, or one of the side drainages.
And, I remember doing that Fancy Lake loop years ago. Climbed a peak called Whitney Peak. And, I got up on the ridge leading to Mt. of the Holy Cross. This is also a very pretty area.
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Post by desertsp on Apr 27, 2019 20:08:34 GMT -8
Thanks for your reply!
So far the “best” seems like Oh-Be-Joyful. I really like the idea of having several day hikes in different directions.
The above tree line issue never struck me (pun intended) as being an issue at flattops....but we’ll heed your warning and make sure not to get stuck out in the open.
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Post by Campfires&Concierges on Apr 30, 2019 14:32:28 GMT -8
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Post by desertsp on Apr 30, 2019 19:31:18 GMT -8
Thanks for the suggestion, that sounds like pretty much exactly what we’re looking to do.
Really cool website btw!
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Post by cweston on May 2, 2019 4:34:11 GMT -8
Eagles Nest Wilderness. Surprise Lake to Cataract or Mirror Lake. Dayhike up to Elliot Ridge. If you like solitude, I would suggest a slight variation on that plan: Hike in from Elliot Ridge (long drive to trailhead, but doable for city cars all but the last 150 yards or so as of August). Elliot Ridge is a spectacular ridge walk. Take the trail down to Cataract Creek. As you approach the creek, leave the trail and travel a quick/obvious 1/4 mile down to the creek and lovely meadow camps. Total distance from the car is maybe about 7.5 miles. Camp in upper Cataract Creek: From this basecamp, it's only a little more than a mile downstream (on trail) to the Mirror Lake/Flapjack Lakes area. (Ask Lamebeaver about Flapjack Lakes) It's also only about 2 miles (at most) of relatively easy off-trail travel (if you're into that) to the pass between Cataract Creek and the basin west of Mt. Powell (Tributary of Piney River). This basin is spectacular. Upper Cataract Basin: I can give more beta on the off-trail route if you're interested. See also this TR from last summer.
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Post by desertsp on May 2, 2019 5:55:19 GMT -8
Thanks. I think we had conversed about the Gore range last year - I was hoping to do a solo trip there.
I guess my main concern about starting at Elliot Ridge would be a storm moving in before we’re off the ridge. Hopefully we can get an early start and complete the ridge walk by early afternoon, but if we were to get caught in a storm, do you think it’s realistic to get to below tree line in a hurry prior to the intersection with the Cataract trail? Keeping in mind a partner who’s not interested in scrambling for safety lol.
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Post by cweston on May 2, 2019 6:46:21 GMT -8
I guess my main concern about starting at Elliot Ridge would be a storm moving in before we’re off the ridge. Hopefully we can get an early start and complete the ridge walk by early afternoon, but if we were to get caught in a storm, do you think it’s realistic to get to below tree line in a hurry prior to the intersection with the Cataract trail? Keeping in mind a partner who’s not interested in scrambling for safety lol. It seems like you could retreat off the ridge if you had to, but honestly I didn't pay too much attention to that, because both coming and going we had clear blue skies. The morning we hiked in, we were car-camped on the east shore of Green Mountain Reservoir. We broke camp (at whatever time--we didn't intentionally get up at the crack of dawn) and drove to the trailhead from there. I doubt we left the car any earlier than 9:00 or 9:30. We didn't race or anything on the trail--it was our first day--but we're moderately fast hikers. Elliot Ridge is gloriously easy hiking. We were to the Cataract Creek trail junction on Elliot Ridge by noonish. If you're particularly concerned about it, you could sleep at the trailhead the night before in order to assure an early start. EDIT: On further reflection, and looking at the map to jog my memory, I think retreat is not really an issue. The best retreat in most cases is to the west. To the east of the ridge, there are some long snowfields (running N/S) that might block retreat, and there is more of a complex plateau-like high-country landform, as opposed to the more direct drop off the ridge to the west. I doubt that it's ever more than class 2 travel down the west slope from the ridge trail. I think you'd have a fairly easy retreat: if not to immediate timber, at least off the ridge top and out of the most immediate lightning danger. As a guy who is kindof a worrier by nature and thinks a lot about storms and retreat, I would say don't worry about it too much: you can pretty easily be off the ridge by afternoon with a decently early start, and if you did get caught in a storm, I think there are always retreat options. (That might be less true, though, if you continued on Elliot Ridge beyond the Cataract Creek trail to Maiden Peak as the ridge gets narrower and the slopes in both directions get steeper.)
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Post by cweston on May 2, 2019 8:37:16 GMT -8
I guess I didn't state explicitly what the primary benefit of the Elliot Ridge approach to upper Cataract Creek is, besides the superior views and solitude: it is *way* less elevation gain than the Surprise Lake approach. That's perfect for a less experienced BPer, IMHO: get to the glorious views right out of the car without the grueling climb. With this approach, the climb (not very grueling: only 1,200 feet or so) is on the way out.
But HYOH, of course.
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Post by desertsp on May 3, 2019 14:50:42 GMT -8
Yes I can see that - should be a lot easier going in from the ridge!
Thanks for your advice. I checked out lamebeaver’s posts too, looks like plenty of stuff to checkout via day hikes in the general area.
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Post by Lamebeaver on May 3, 2019 17:07:43 GMT -8
For the Gore Range Trip, there are plenty of decent primitive car campsites near the Elliott Ridge Trailhead. I would camp there and hike along the ridge. As you near Meridian Peak (which looks like a giant ski jump) you will see several good campsite possibilities (with water and trees) to your left.
To get to Flapjack Lakes, from the Mirror Lake, if my memory serves me correctly drop down (keeping on the trail) to Mirror Lake. You're going to head off trail to your left after the second primitive stream crossing (built up bridge) in the meadow. The trail starts at approx. 39.7860° 106.3618°. On any decent map you can plot a route from here. Note: There are only fish in the first (largest) lake, and the fishing is pretty good. There is an established campsite camp on the north side of the lake. This is technically illegal, as you shouldn't be camping that close to the lake in a wilderness area, but it's generally preferred to use an existing campsite instead of creating a new one. Another day trip would be to hike back up to Meridian Peak and then work your way along the very rugged peaks between there and Mt. Powell. These are known as "The Corners" and are quite intimidating from the east, but may not be as treacherous from the west (YMMV). I have not done this yet, but it's on my list.
I've hiked up to Mirror Lake from Lower Cataract Lake and I wouldn't recommend it. It's a long slog. People do camp at Upper Cataract Lake. Fewer camp near Mirror Lake, and even fewer at Flapjack Lakes.
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Post by cweston on May 7, 2019 6:31:31 GMT -8
As you near Meridian Peak (which looks like a giant ski jump) you will see several good campsite possibilities (with water and trees) to your left. You can see that pretty clearly in the first photo I posted above. (You can also see The Corners prominently in all of the photos I posted.) I hadn't thought about a basecamp high on Elliot Ridge. Advantages: Only about 5 almost level miles carrying a full pack Very scenic camps, can definitely find privacy even in the unlikely event others are camped in the area Easy day hike to Meridian Peak (or beyond) from basecamp. Can still drop to Cataract Creek on a day hike Disadvantage: Camp is more storm-exposed FWIW, an NPS ranger that I crossed paths with years ago in the Sangres told me that his strategy for BPing with his wife (who is not into gonzo BPing) is to select a basecamp within 5 miles of the car, and he goes back to the car on day 1 or the second morning for another load of gear, thus allowing for a luxury tent, luxury food, etc.
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Post by Lamebeaver on May 7, 2019 6:56:48 GMT -8
This picture was taken from the ridge. It looks like there are several decent campsites near that small pond that would provide a fair amount of shelter from your typical afternoon thunderstorm. And you wouldn't have too much of a struggle to get back up on the ridge.
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Post by lennox on Jun 30, 2021 13:42:27 GMT -8
I know I am coming into this discussion late... but would it be reasonable to do a one night backpacking trip starting at Elliot Ridge, camp down by Mirror or one of the Cataract Lakes, and hike out to Black Creek Road (1700) the second day? Anyone know the current trail conditions on these trails? The most recent I can find are from 2019 and describe almost impassible trail due to downed trees between Surprise Lake and road 1700. (AllTrails)
Thanks, Lenny
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Post by cweston on Jun 30, 2021 13:58:11 GMT -8
would it be reasonable to do a one night backpacking trip starting at Elliot Ridge, camp down by Mirror or one of the Cataract Lakes, and hike out to Black Creek Road (1700) the second day? Anyone know the current trail conditions on these trails? The most recent I can find are from 2019 and describe almost impassible trail due to downed trees between Surprise Lake and road 1700. (AllTrails) Road 1700 is NOT accessible to the public--it is part of a large inholding around Black Lake. The GRT between Surprise Lake and there is usually in very good condition by the time the trail crew has been through in early summer. But there are areas of major beetle kill in that part of the range, so some years a lot of trees come down over the winter. (One year I went through that part of the GRT, and the blowdown was OK, but there were cattle grazing in that low area west of Black Creek, and it was really awful--muddy, $hitty, "trails" everywhere.) In order to exit that way by trail, you'd have to drop to Lower Cataract Lake from Surprise Lake, or keep going all the way to the Brush Creek TH (4wd road) on the GRT. Personally, if I had one night, I'd do an out-and-back from the Elliott Ridge TH, and camp either on the ridge, on Cataract Creek near where the trail comes down from Elliott Ridge, or at the lake a little upstream from there, at about 11,080. The scenery on/around the ridge and upper Cataract definitely exceeds (IMHO) anything around Mirror or Upper Cataract Lakes or the trail down from there. HYOH, of course.
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