Whats your pack weight without consumables (food water fuel) for a winter overighter. Lets say one night.
I'm not an ultralight hiker by any means, but I do select the lightest gear possible when I can.
I did dabble in the ultralight direction for a while, but over the years have added items back that I just missed, and my winter weight (always more than summer obviously) has gotten into the range that I'm a bit uncomfortable with.
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But its better than watching TV.
So what's your weight. Winter conditions, temps in the 20's and below, possibility of snow, below treeline (I hike in Mid Atlantic) not including show shoes, skis, shovel, just your shelter/sleeping , kitchen, clothing, hygiene, the basic stuff.
And yes........... it IS a subjective question with a lot of variables.
I don't remember having done just one night on the snow (it takes 4-5 hours for me to get there..)but eliminating the food for the extra days it would be in the 12 to 14 kg range (26-28 lbs) depending on the tent and stove I take. The lightest would be with the Notch because I use trekking poles anyway :
a pound heavier if using the Moment with the external pole :
a bit heavier again with the Scarp with or without external poles
The rest in the weight difference has to do with the SB in use ( sometime the Ultralite otherwise the Summerlite plus puffy top and bottom) and extra treats such as extra chocolate and or brandy (to share) To avoid confusion , I don't have the external poles on the Moment and Scarp in use in those two particular photos. Those weights include food,fuel and my snow shoes and trekking poles.
Roughly 20 lbs without food, water, & Fuel. These days, I do the majority of my hiking in winter and have it down pretty much pat. I change up my shelter and plan on getting a new Tepee style shelter to replace my Golite Shangri-La - too much room, which is just enough.
Weather - I can expect snow, probably winds up to 40 mph normally, and temps usually down in the single digits at night, and teens/twenties during the day.
I used to pull it behind but it's light enough that I just wear it now. I keep it simple. Alcohol stove, Freeze-dried food with some beef stick, a flask of whiskey, some coffee, a few beers, and camp near water sources so I'm not having to burn fuel melting snow. OR Advanced bivy, SD Astro CD, and...for giggles, my hammock if I think the weather is right for it.
20s isn't very cold. Last I checked pack weight(this past fall), mine was ~23lbs, including 1.5L of water and food for 7 days, while prepared for nighttime low temps into the teens. <11lb. base weight-no cook. Temps down to ~0F is only about a pound more if I don't cook. 8oz puffy gets traded for a 13oz Alpine Light down parka, and 5oz Capilene 2 bottoms for ~8oz grid fleece, warmer gloves, etc. Same r5.9 pad and underrated "30F" quilt. Being very minimalist, running much(MUCH!) warmer than average, plus supplementing the sleep system with the heavier baselayer bottoms and down parka all contribute to having less carried weight.
Cook kit and stove add some more if I figure they're worth carrying, though. Sometimes even bring a folding saw and fixed blade knife in case the firewood's been picked over. They're usually not worth carrying, either, but for 1-2 nights at these pack weights, who cares?
Lighter pad than the r5.9 one, but like I say...pretty minimalist:
My pack for this weekend was around 25, my wife's 17. It got down to single digits with gusty winds Sat. night. We use Thermarest x-lites with a 4x4 piece of Reflectix under our torsos inside a breathable/waterproof Bivy. We used a single wall tent opened up for condensation, but angled to block wind, could have done just as well with a small tarp. There was little snow, some ice, and I had to carry 1 gallon of water up to a dry camp the last mile. I brought a book and 2 luci lamps, extra food. Could have been a few pounds less.
Break it down to what needs to change. My winter gear isn't that much different than what I carry in the summer. My extra weight would be:
- Thicker puffy jacket - Heavier hat and gloves - Warmer sleeping bag - Warmer sleeping pad
Winter trips get heavy when there are other people along and everybody wants to socialize - the party gets started really early and you'll need a chair, more food & booze, and another layer of clothing.
A one night winter trip is very short and wouldn't require most of the stuff I routinely carry on my long winter trips---no candles for hand warmth, no hot hands packets, no snow shovel, minimal stove fuel (heck maybe no stove), no repair kits etc etc. At this point in my life I don't think I could get motivated to pack up the kit and drive to a trailhead and hike in for a one nighter and then hike out again and drive home the next day. Might as well just drive to a trailhead and dayhike.
Anyway, my base weight is around 30 lbs in the winter---being that I carry a Feathered Friends Icefall parka and WM down pants and all leather Zamberlan boots and two sleeping pads. Food for one night might be less than 2 lbs. Usually my food load for a typical 20 day trip is 50 lbs including 44oz of white gas stove fuel.
And since people are posting their winter tent pics---here's my go-to solo winter tent (at 8 lbs 10oz)---
Post by walkswithblackflies on Feb 11, 2019 8:54:55 GMT -8
~30 lbs, INCLUDING food and water (and a 2-man, 4-season tent). Crampons and mountaineering axe add around another 5 lbs. Most of my winter backpacking is in the Adirondacks or lake-effect snowbelt of Upstate NY.
Hundreds of years from now, it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that my ruins become a tourist attraction.
I appreciate the responses! I chose the parameters (temperatures, one night) as kind of a starting point. I can see I need to do a bit of weeding I think! Mine is in the 30lb range, mostly because I do over prepare a bit due to 1) old guy 2) going solo,3) Wife's not happy about that!
Interesting question. We go into the High Sierra prepared for overnight temps into the teens (haven’t seen that for a few years, but it happens—more in August than July, which is why we haven’t seen it). But that strikes me as different from true winter with possibility of snow, even if the temps are the same. Maybe because of the long hours of darkness—the highs are apt to be lower and you never thaw/dry out.
Beyond that, I can’t offer anything. We haven’t done any winter trips, and probably won’t (unless to huts), as my spouse far prefers to just go find some summer :D
Post by High Sierra Fan on Feb 12, 2019 12:34:54 GMT -8
Hmmm. Slightly heavier than summer what with my snowsaw and a bit of heavier clothing layers: but not by all that much as my summer routes go way above trealine into country where I expect and experience snow and mid teen temperatures anyway. And I prefer staying outside my shelter in summer so my sleeping system is already winter weight, with the exception of an additional closed cell foam pad to supplement my Thermarest.
One thing is my tents is actually on the lighter side as on snowpack my goto is a Chouinard Megamid in the 2 lb range. Still available as the Black Diamond Mega Lite. Big for those long winter nights.
It depends on whether I go with my tent or hammock set up. My winter hammock set up is a bit heavier with my winter tarp and quilt sets. I'm looking at about 29 pounds. With tent set up I'm looking at about 27. If I'm going into single digits for night time I have to add 1.5 more pounds at a minimum.