whistlepunk
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Post by whistlepunk on Dec 2, 2015 13:45:38 GMT -8
"So the laws do not matter, what matters is what you can get away with? I won't deny that some people approach life that way."
Same as a cop ignoring someone driving 68 mph in 65 zone or ignoring someone quietly smoking pot in their home. Many LEOs consider some regulations as so trivial they do not enforce them. Which is why the National Forest MVUM restrictions are lightly enforced and mountain bikes use the PCT in some areas and those are heavily enforced in others.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Dec 2, 2015 14:26:47 GMT -8
Here's a bit more information on the subject: source (relevant portion on bottom of page) I've highlighted on brief section, and the "suitable for indoor use" could cause a problem, as "The Mule" is obviously not designed for indoor use. 1.3.3 Access to Wilderness Areas A significant number of trails in the United States are administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA, including the U.S. Forest Service), the U.S. Department of the Interior (USDI, including the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service), and the Army Corps of Engineers. Some lands managed by these executive-branch agencies bear an additional Wilderness Area designation. In 1964, Congress passed the Wilderness Act to ensure that certain lands would remain free of roads and other types of development and that unimproved trails would constitute the only paths of access to these areas. Such wilderness lands were identified by Congress and were designated as the National Wilderness Preservation System (NWPS). The Wilderness Act was enacted in 1964, before the recent gains in disability rights, and makes no mention of people with disabilities. Because the Wilderness Act prohibits the use of motorized vehicles and mechanized transport within federally designated wilderness areas (Wilderness Inquiry, Inc., 1992), some people have claimed that it discriminates against the rights of persons with disabilities, especially those who use electric-powered wheelchairs or scooters. Congress sought to clarify the issue of access for people with disabilities to wilderness areas in Title V, Section 507(c) of the ADA (ADA, 1990): Congress reaffirms that nothing in the Wilderness Act is construed as prohibiting the use of a wheelchair in a wilderness area by an individual whose disability requires use of a wheelchair, and consistent with the Wilderness Act no agency is required to provide any form of special treatment or accommodation, or to construct any facilities or modify any conditions of lands within a wilderness area to facilitate such use. Thus, only assistive devices such as wheelchairs or scooters suitable for indoor use are eligible to enter wilderness areas. For example, a manual or powered wheelchair capable of traveling on off-road terrain would be permitted, while motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles (ATVs), off-highway vehicles (OHVs), and other vehicles with internal combustion engines are prohibited. Although wheelchair users are permitted to enter wilderness areas, land management agencies "are not required to construct any facilities or modify any conditions of lands within Wilderness to facilitate use by persons with disabilities" (Wilderness Inquiry, Inc., 1995). However, when modifications to protect the resource are made, land managers are encouraged to use accessible designs. For example, when a toilet is necessary to protect the resource from the impact of many visitors, land managers are "encouraged to make the toilet as accessible as possible within a primitive design" (ibid.). 1.4 Conclusion The ADA was passed to prohibit discrimination against people with disabilities. Title II of the ADA requires public entities that build sidewalks and trails to provide program access to existing facilities and to design and construct new facilities and altered facilities to be readily accessible to individuals with disabilities. Title III of the ADA requires places of public accommodation to remove barriers to access when it is readily achievable to do so and to meet the requirements for new construction and alteration in the ADA Standards for Accessible Design. Designers and planners of outdoor facilities should apply applicable sections of the ADA Standards for Accessible Design or UFAS and employ good design principles to ensure that facilities are accessible to and usable by people with disabilities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 15:52:39 GMT -8
"So the laws do not matter, what matters is what you can get away with? I won't deny that some people approach life that way."Same as a cop ignoring someone driving 68 mph in 65 zone or ignoring someone quietly smoking pot in their home. Many LEOs consider some regulations as so trivial they do not enforce them. Which is why the National Forest MVUM restrictions are lightly enforced and mountain bikes use the PCT in some areas and those are heavily enforced in others. Your original contention was: "The specific verbiage of the regulation is immaterial." Yet nothing you've presented as an example does anything to prove that contention.
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rebeccad
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Post by rebeccad on Dec 3, 2015 8:08:30 GMT -8
Yeah, but geez, LB, if we're going to have to remake the thing, we might as well start from scratch. Elevator shoes might do the job with less hassle?
Oops--failed to see the second page. This was in response to Lamebeaver's comment about hacksaws and duct tape!
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markskor
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Post by markskor on Dec 3, 2015 9:02:31 GMT -8
Not to be racist...(Apologies if this offends.)
Here in the Sierra, over the past decade, have seen very few backpackers of color. Always wondered why? Is there some some socio-economic/psychological/physical reason that wilderness hiking does not seem to appeal to this particular group of Americans? Whatever, African Americans, (only counting those seen with overnight backpacks), make up about 1% of the wilderness community here Mammoth - Tuolumne...not at all representative of California's demographics.
Then I see the OP's ad for the Mule...and just wonder more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 9:25:04 GMT -8
Here in the Sierra, over the past decade, have seen very few backpackers of color. Always wondered why? Is there some some socio-economic/psychological/physical reason that wilderness hiking does not seem to appeal to this particular group of Americans? If you have the patience to read an entire thread, see this thread from July.
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markskor
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Post by markskor on Dec 3, 2015 10:22:00 GMT -8
Trav - Thanks for the link...(as was out backpacking all summer, must have missed that particular brouhaha.) - BTW, lots of patience here too.
However, still does not explain who the OP's Mule ad is trying to appeal to/ who is his target audience?
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Post by Lamebeaver on Dec 3, 2015 10:39:20 GMT -8
However, still does not explain who the OP's Mule ad is trying to appeal to/ who is his target audience? "Necessity is the mother of invention" is the saying. However may I add to that observation my own;" the child of invention is persistence despite all evidence to the contrary". These two truths represent the essence of our product, the Multi-purpose Uniaxial Litter Enginery or MULE. On a vacation to Salem Oregon some years ago I was invited to hike along the coast of the nearby Pacific Ocean. Being born and raised on the west and south sides of Chicago, Illinois, hiking wasn't exactly a recreational option for me coming up. One of the hikers in our group lamented his increasing inability to enjoy hiking anymore. For him, it had become more and more difficult to backpack needed gear in the field. "Don't they have something that helps a person with backpacking loads in the field? No, not really. "After all, aren't there many people that enjoy hiking, there must be something?" No and we've all looked. Hmmm... On my flight back home to Tennessee, I began brainstorming what would become the MULE. Necessity was indeed the mother. Since then many thousands of hours of designing, testing and developing have gone into the MULE. With the issuance of United States patent # 4,664,395 came the solo MULE expeditions such as the 3000 mile coast-to-coast walk from Newport Beach, California to Cape Henlopen, Delaware, the Death Valley summer expedition and other shorter field expeditions-all done without motorized vehicle support. Thus came invention's child, persistence. The continuing strive to improve the product, often at risk of injury or worse is always pursued with childlike persistence. We at IDI believe that in the MULE, we have improved a centuries old basic human endeavor that has essentially remained unchanged. Increasing a man or woman's load bearing ability in the field by 100% both in weight and volume by use of our simple, reliable and effective product is, we believe, of benefit to humankind worldwide. Welcome to the revolution. source
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johnnyray
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The MULE
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Post by johnnyray on Dec 3, 2015 20:27:08 GMT -8
I think seeing a couple hikers coming down the trail wearing those things would would make me want to hide.
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