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Post by cahiker on Jan 21, 2016 20:59:51 GMT -8
alx , here is a copy of my spreadsheet. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l3NaO9vHkfIPYOaCnkcUET4zSQ_VkQfdWqjTZaLa30A/pub?output=xlsxOver time I have weighed each item I have taken backpacking and put it in the spreadsheet. For each trip, I put an "x" next to the items each person will carry (with a column for each person). The spreadsheet looks for the items with an "x" next to them and adds up the weight of all items for each person. If I want to remember to bring something, but don't want it included in the weight totals (e.g. for clothing worn) I put another letter next to the items, such as "w". For short trips I put all the food items in this spreadsheet. For longer trips I have a separate spreadsheet just for food planning.
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Post by alx on Jan 24, 2016 22:52:45 GMT -8
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Post by mocs123 on Jan 25, 2016 20:03:15 GMT -8
It doesn't answer your original question, but Caltopo is a website that is amazing for trip planning.
For my gear lists, I just use MS Excel.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 26, 2016 8:29:06 GMT -8
It is interesting that we have such different "gear usage" culture. I'm from eastern Europe and we usually take single but large enough pot to cook for the whole group. And we have a separate person assigned to trip menu assembling and cooking I think this depends a lot on the sort of trip. I "organize" family trips--myself, husband, and two kids (or so it's been in the past. The boys are starting to leave home!). In that case, we share all the kitchen gear, use a pot big enough for all of us (in our case, 1.5L), and I organize the whole menu (though I use freezer bag cooking, so people get customized meals, which helps as there are some food issues). But often I see people from these Forums traveling with loosely constituted groups, where they prefer to be fully independent. That offers more flexibility. When I did a trip with Zeke and a friend of his, we shared the stove and pot, but each provided our own food, and we were independent in every other way. It just depends on the trip and the people.
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Post by tigger on Jan 26, 2016 8:59:55 GMT -8
On my trips, I want everyone to have their own gear so that if we get separated, we have a better chance of survival.
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Post by dayhiker on Jan 26, 2016 12:14:54 GMT -8
alx , here is a copy of my spreadsheet. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l3NaO9vHkfIPYOaCnkcUET4zSQ_VkQfdWqjTZaLa30A/pub?output=xlsxOver time I have weighed each item I have taken backpacking and put it in the spreadsheet. For each trip, I put an "x" next to the items each person will carry (with a column for each person). The spreadsheet looks for the items with an "x" next to them and adds up the weight of all items for each person. If I want to remember to bring something, but don't want it included in the weight totals (e.g. for clothing worn) I put another letter next to the items, such as "w". For short trips I put all the food items in this spreadsheet. For longer trips I have a separate spreadsheet just for food planning. That is what I do, though my "x" is just for one person. I can play around with the items to try and save weight. I make a different copy for winter (snow), which starts out as an identical copy with different items being checked. I have another excel sheet that I type in a food and amount and with a macro it looks it up in another sheet and brings back calories, fats, sats, wt. etc. I added another sheet to it for backpacking, that does a similar look up but I compare the item to the highest calorie dense item I would eat. I difference the wt., which is often quite small for small amounts, say a bit of cheese. If it is large I might cut that item back etc. Besides watching my sat fat, I look to see that I am taking enough calories, and I have found that enough carbs is important, as I just won't just high fat after awhile. I finally decided to take allot of tang as it helps me drink enough too, as well as provide carbs, if not so healthy ones. I can't say I always use it, as I know most of the things I want to take, harder trips I might use it to get the wt. down if possible.
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Post by idahobob on Jan 26, 2016 12:40:47 GMT -8
I have a table in Word, which I print off and check against what I have in my pack. This fits on one page, but the columns didn't cooperate with cut and paste. I keep meaning to laminate it and put it with the pack, but it changes once in a while. For planning food, I have lists of food weight I have taken in past trips, like "dates, 2.5 oz per day". For dinner I have my top 5 or so favorites.
Gear worn on body
Nylon T shirt Nylon Pants Belt, hat, Sunglasses Boots, wool socks Underwear Camera, extra battery
Major Gear
Pack Tent, stakes, poles Sleeping bag Sleeping pad Camp chair Hiking poles
Clothing (in pack):
long sleeve Shirt Raincoat and stuff sac Extra t shirt Down coat Warm hat
Top Pocket of pack Ear plugs Money Compass, map Bear hanging line Whistle Lighter, matches Duct tape First aid kit Fire starting kit Signal mirror Repair kit Flashlight head lamp
Optional
Mini biners Fishing gear Rain pants Bug net tarp Drinks for creek Sitting foam pad Swim suit in bag Dry sack with soap
Inside Pack Stove, fuel, lighter Food in plastic bag Cup, bowl, spoon Cooking Pot, scrubber pad Salt pepper, cocoa tea Paper towels, 1 per meal Water filter, pre-filter Water jug with hose Spatula Big zip lock bags Camera bag
Side Pockets of pack
Knife Trowel Water bottle Gator aid bottle Camp shoes, Crocs Wet wipes
Cold Weather
Extra sleeping pad Down coat Long underwear Layered gloves neck gaitor Hand warmers Down booties platform for stove
Toilet Kit
Toothbrush, paste Wet wipes Hand sanitizer Floss TP Meds camp soap
Bag in car while traveling
Money, cards Phone charger Sunglasses Meds Wet wipes
In bag for return trip
Clean clothes Razor, shaving cream Wet wipes
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Post by idahobob on Jan 26, 2016 12:43:41 GMT -8
As far as keeping track of what other people have, I give them a copy of my checklist and tell them to decide themselves. I only plan food for one other person at most, and tell them "this is the menu, take it or leave it, and get your own lunches and breakfasts."
I did a trip once where I planned food for 12 people for 29 days. Never again!
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Post by alx on Jan 27, 2016 8:08:14 GMT -8
I did a trip once where I planned food for 12 people for 29 days. That's what I mean It's not my intention to bring large groups with me on a hike, but guys usually want to join my trips once they get to know that I' planning one. So at the end I find myself preparing a trip for 10-15 hiker-friends
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Post by idahobob on Jan 27, 2016 9:43:19 GMT -8
I plan the route, give them a gear list, and maybe coordinate rides, but I don't plan their food, except for my wife (always) and daughter (on her first backpack as an adult). Nothing good comes of planning food for others. They won't like the food, it will be too much, too little, too salty, too hard to cook, didn't bring enough fuel, etc. I'll give them a list of what I'm eating if they want, but they can get their own. I say the easiest thing is to tell them that for starters: have snacks for lunch, 2 oatmeals for breakfast, and a Mountain House dinner for dinner. If they are too helpless to buy their own food, they should not be going on a backpack. Same with stoves, pots, tents, sleeping bags, etc: everybody is on their own. I might supply maps, but that is about all.
I keep some spare packs to serve as loaners, and i have extra tents for loaners, and I try to get newbies off to a good start, but they can buy their own food. If they WANT to go on the backpack, they will enjoy the planning process and will learn about food on the trip.
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