gabby
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Post by gabby on Nov 17, 2015 13:58:30 GMT -8
I come here infrequently and when I do and click on Recent Posts I get the usual clutter of left-field topics having nothing to do with backpacking or the outdoors. I sometimes find a trip report with zero or one response. It's like having a website forum on Cooking and everybody talks about Motorcycles. Remove the "left-field topics" from the Recent Posts function or make "Recent Posts" more specific to each forum. If all you're interested in is backpacking-related forums, let's add a "Recent Posts" that excludes the "chaffy" junk. Or move the "chaffy junk" to an area of its own (away from "Community Discussions") and wire the "Recent Posts" to refer to selected "major categories": "Community Discussions", "Skills and Wisdom", "Destinations", etc. "Political" could be grouped in an "Other" area, or simply left out of the primary search. BPL has an "Off Piste" category for all stuff that isn't directly related to backpacking, but - as at least one person already noted - making this determination is probably more fraught with difficulties than it might seem at first blush. Of course, all this reminds me of the atmosphere of discontent some years prior to the "software implosion" that gave us a BETTER forum - at least for what seemed like an eternity... (Be careful about that for which you yearn.) :) ETA: "Clutter of left-field topics" bp2go
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Post by tipiwalter on Nov 17, 2015 14:08:51 GMT -8
Gabby---You have some good points. It feels like the old Backpacker forum (before the "disastrous" forum) had many more participants and they seemed to keep the outdoor, hiking and backpacking threads more active. I remember when the Southern forum used to get dozens of posts a day, or the Gear forum. Now it's a dead zone. Maybe no one knows about this new Forum format and maybe the magazine isn't pushing it in the least??
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Post by gabby on Nov 17, 2015 14:27:19 GMT -8
Though it may not always seem obvious, I (mostly) respect the opinions of others, and I understand that many are averse to participating in the "Other/Political" category - possibly for good reason. But backpacking is like life itself - strange observation, that - it includes many things seemingly not all directly related, like astronomy, knots, the environment, hunting & fishing, botany, medicine etc. Who is going to decide which knots are relevant and which not (pun intended!)? Should we restrict our "environmental ethics" to LNT only? Or should we have a much broader view of our world? Much of life is not all that endearing or "tasteful", but there it is. "Drawing the line" needs a lot of thought and is probably ultimately futile. As the Buddhists say, "Eat, sleep, sh*t, die." You can't have the eating without the sh*tting and the living without the dying. Many don't want to discuss the latter, but they are intrinsic. I suspect the magazine sees this area as relatively superfluous except as a "traffic generator" - and, then, it was created ex nihilo for us by our dear friend bp2go, who looked down upon us, saw our misery and took pity. This is the Eden he brought forth from the rock.
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Post by Westy on Nov 17, 2015 14:34:23 GMT -8
I think this website as a community forum for backpackers. In a community people tend to talk about lots of topics. Our core group of backpackers, are people with a common interest. It provides equal opportunity for all members to participate in a manner they choose. Variation from hard-core backcountry topics; is acceptable and welcome. Perhaps we may all know each other and our various personalities a wee bit better. Whether or not you're in left field or right field its all good to me, no matter what position you play, because we are all playing in the same game.
Since the forum is on the comeback trail, slowly it will grow, some will leave, more will come. One final note regarding backpacking: It's recreational not competitive and as such has what Levi's and Arc'Teryx call a relaxed fit.
Someday I'll make it to Pickle Gulch!
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Post by ecocentric on Nov 17, 2015 14:37:49 GMT -8
And at last call, they are all pretty.
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Post by texasbb on Nov 17, 2015 16:17:15 GMT -8
For goodness' sake, where did y'all grow up that "mindless banter" is pejorative? Maybe it's because I was raised in a barn (so to speak , but I think such banter is the sugar and salt that make group interactions worth engaging! But sugar and salt are best as accents to the main course ("meat" if you prefer). I don't know if the relatively high salt to meat content on this forum is a cause of the diminished participant count, a symptom of it, a figment of my imagination, a reflection of the closeness of the old guard, or something else. I just threw it out there because it's been my impression and I was interested to hear others expressing similar observations. For all the interesting suggestions raised in this thread, I still wonder if the main "problem" isn't the technoculture passing us by. I wish/hope it weren't/ain't, but...
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Post by mk on Nov 17, 2015 18:06:37 GMT -8
Well I, for one, joined for the backpacking and stayed for the banter. (although I prefer "community" -- it seems more accurate). The boards make it easy to navigate the forum to find the topics that are interesting/valuable to me. I like the potluck analogy, and the forum won't really grow significantly unless new members add their voices. And if they aren't contributing now (for whatever reason), I don't see a flurry of activity happening so that people can collect points.
My observations about the new vs. old forum: 1). Social media options have expanded, and not everyone will choose this outlet. 2). The forum is moving forward and growing -- but it isn't going to be like the old forum. And it doesn't need to be. You've lost some members, and maybe others are at a different place in life. That doesn't mean it can't be relevant and thriving, but it's bound to take some time to build it up. And 3). Everyone will use this place in the way that's right for them. Whether they just want an answer to a specific question, or to read without commenting, or look at the photos, or maybe even add their contribution to the two-word thread (which left me in the dust, BTW).
I don't know how nourishing this "meat" is for the discussion, but it's what I'm bringing to the table.
P.S. And the loon avatar? Honestly, it's because it's the only photo I could figure out how to upload. Although I do love loons ...
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Post by GaliWalker on Nov 18, 2015 6:17:37 GMT -8
Any and all conversation is good. Just do it in the Trip Reports forum! That's my favorite section, but it gets a bit embarrassing being one of only a handful of people contributing.
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Post by texasbb on Nov 18, 2015 8:01:32 GMT -8
Any and all conversation is good. Just do it in the Trip Reports forum! That's my favorite section, but it gets a bit embarrassing being one of only a handful of people contributing. Guilty as charged. I don't generally post trip reports to this forum because that board always seems so barren--chicken and egg I guess. So I hereby commit to posting a report from my next trip here. And whether I agree with the "any and all" depends on how you define "conversation."
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Post by FamilySherpa on Nov 18, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -8
Any and all conversation is good. Just do it in the Trip Reports forum! That's my favorite section, but it gets a bit embarrassing being one of only a handful of people contributing. I post all my trip reports in the regional section. Mostly because the members there are familiar with the area and like hearing a report.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Nov 18, 2015 10:59:12 GMT -8
Any and all conversation is good. Just do it in the Trip Reports forum! That's my favorite section, but it gets a bit embarrassing being one of only a handful of people contributing. I post all my trip reports in the regional section. Mostly because the members there are familiar with the area and like hearing a report.
That's always seemed to be the logical place to me, so that's where I post my questions about areas I'm interested in so as to get the attention of the people who have interest in that area.
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 18, 2015 15:18:59 GMT -8
post all my trip reports in the regional section. Mostly because the members there are familiar with the area and like hearing a report. The trouble is, those of us who don't hike in a region don't tend to look there, and so miss TRs. I enjoy reading about trips in places I don't expect to hike, if the picture are pretty and the prose decent.
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Post by GaliWalker on Nov 18, 2015 17:45:26 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't usually peruse a regional forum, if I don't hike in it. May I suggest cross-posting in both forums...?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Nov 18, 2015 18:05:14 GMT -8
OR look outside our comfort zones and look in the regionals?
The other advantage is with less traffic a TR there will stay visible longer.
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 18, 2015 22:03:24 GMT -8
OR look outside our comfort zones and look in the regionals? The other advantage is with less traffic a TR there will stay visible longer. There is something in that, having TRs stay on the front page longer. Which forums get visited isn't necessarily about comfort zones. It's also about minimizing time spent.
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