markskor
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Mammoth Lakes & Tuolumne Meadows...living the dream
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Post by markskor on Mar 13, 2017 12:43:53 GMT -8
markskor , reveling in his dirtbagness. Dirtbaggedness. Dirtbaggyness. You know what I mean. Reuben - Accept any spellings but never capitalized! sigh! Mark
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reuben
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Gonna need more Camels at the next refugio...
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Post by reuben on Mar 13, 2017 13:00:57 GMT -8
Accept any spellings but never capitalized! Teach me, O master.
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Post by cgaphiker on Mar 13, 2017 13:17:50 GMT -8
Having lost literally everything in '08, I'm pretty sure my retirement will be in cheap tents. S'ok. I know a bunch of backpacking people. S'ok. We got extra tents and stuff. I even have an extra couch for when it's cold outside.
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Hungry Jack
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Living and dying in 3/4 time...
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Post by Hungry Jack on Mar 13, 2017 13:57:39 GMT -8
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reuben
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Post by reuben on Mar 13, 2017 14:14:35 GMT -8
That's DD's territory, so he'll be the judge. Besides, he may not want much company, being a desert dweller and all. Truth be told, I'm of the same mind.
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Post by cgaphiker on Mar 13, 2017 14:20:56 GMT -8
So many comments, so much conscious.
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RumiDude
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Marmota olympus
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Post by RumiDude on Mar 13, 2017 15:33:25 GMT -8
Having lost literally everything in '08, I'm pretty sure my retirement will be in cheap tents. S'ok. I know a bunch of backpacking people. Come to popa. I'll let you live for free in my back yard. Rumi
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RumiDude
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Post by RumiDude on Mar 13, 2017 15:39:25 GMT -8
Please, use the neighbor's yard. Rumi <~~~~~good neighbor
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daveg
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Post by daveg on Mar 13, 2017 19:14:29 GMT -8
I have no problem believing so many people have saved so little for retirement. But, especially for older Americans like me, the seemingly small savings amounts may be a bit misleading. As I read the link, the numbers were based on records for defined contribution plans. Back when I entered the workforce, traditional defined benefit pension plans were common and it appears contributions to them are not counted as "savings." Even if I had zero such "savings", my state (defined-benefit) pension plus social security benefits would provide enough income to allow me to live comfortably. (Living in a low cost of living state also helps.) In reality, I also have savings (bank account and IRA) and they are for luxuries and emergencies.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Mar 13, 2017 19:28:16 GMT -8
I plan to win either the Powerball lottery or Publisher's Clearinghouse. Either will do, I'm not picky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 2:26:13 GMT -8
Having lost literally everything in '08, I'm pretty sure my retirement will be in cheap tents. S'ok. I know a bunch of backpacking people. I'm fortunate to be ahead of many (statistically), but still not where I'd like to be... I suspect as the boomers retire, those who saved, when forced to start withdrawing at age 70, will be heavily taxed.....so, just because we put it in, doesn't mean we'll get to take it out and spend it on ourselves.... Don't worry T'Dale....social justice says everybody's retirement has to be similar....so, I suspect, Sam will take from the ant and give to the grasshopper.....so we'll all share in each others misery.....
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zeke
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Post by zeke on Mar 14, 2017 4:35:25 GMT -8
Symbiosis is good for both groups.
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rebeccad
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Post by rebeccad on Mar 14, 2017 7:14:33 GMT -8
markskor , reveling in his dirtbagness. Dirtbaggedness. Dirtbaggyness. You know what I mean. Reuben - Accept any spellings but never capitalized! sigh! Mark Since he made each alternative its own sentence, he had to capitalize. (I might use "dirtbagginess"). :D And good point about the defined benefit plans not being included. My husband's pension does form a key part of our retirement, though by no means the whole. I also get that about the parental generation doing better with investments. My own parents didn't (had nothing to invest, and I think were perhaps too wary of it), but my FiL did very well. We didn't lose out in the crash of '08, since we just held everything, but quite a few years of little to no growth didn't help the nest egg, either. At least we kept saving and investing through that period. And for those of you (if any) who have a spouse who, like me, hasn't had a proper career, take a good look at how your retirement covers him or her after you die. That's something we only recently began really looking at (realism requires it, as he's 8 years older than I am, not to mention apparently a whole lot more inclined to crash his bike!), and working out. Oddly, I do much better if he makes it to retirement than if he were to die while still employed. In the latter case, I'd get a single lump-sum payment (presumably of our contribution to the pension). In the former, I would get a significant percentage of his monthly retirement. Of course, in theory, I could go back to work if need be. In reality, at my age and with a limited resume? I'm not wild about flipping burgers
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Hungry Jack
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Post by Hungry Jack on Mar 14, 2017 7:35:29 GMT -8
Are there any defined benefit plans left?
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jazzmom
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Post by jazzmom on Mar 14, 2017 8:20:28 GMT -8
Skeptical. I think this says a lot more about Fidelity's business than it does about retirement savings.
So, for my age group (50-59), it says the national average is $152,700, which seems low considering we're 10 years away from requirement. Then I plugged in my 'local' zip code (Ann Arbor, Michigan) and the number jumped to $261,200, which seems more reasonable, especially if you consider that it's per person. So a working couple would have over half-million saved in a "workplace savings plan".
Then I tried plugging in various zip codes that I figured would have higher numbers because average incomes would be higher than Ann Arbor, Michigan. Apple headquarters, Google headquarters, both in California, Cambridge, Massachusetts, etc. Interestingly enough, they were all lower than my little town and, frankly, I'm not believing it. I'm guessing Fidelity doesn't have much of a corporate foothold in those towns managing company 401K plans.
And, sure enough, 401K for University of Michigan are managed by Fidelity and TIAA.
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