Post by davesenesac on Sept 19, 2019 7:05:31 GMT -8
To be clear, no one in the thread has made comments lumping all young people together nor was there anything doing so on the REI video that I considered well balanced. That noted, it is true news media have been blaming Millennials for a list of issues, some of it warranted and some not. I don't see any issue with blaming demographic segments for whatever societal problems and issues as long as such is done reasonably using relative terms because that is a reasonable part of problem solving.
We can say there are greater percentages of people in the deep south that are against gun control legislation or that too many teens e-vape or smoke cigarettes that are known facts. The issue is often when such is in conversation by ordinary people that in their terse zeal to argue points tend to over emphasize using phrases that indeed lump all of their target demographic as the same. Many people do so consistently especially when emotional and is a reason I tend to steer away from trying to discuss whatever with overly emotional people.
Earlier this month I backpacked from Mammoth Lakes in Inyo National Forest over Duck Pass to the Duck and Pika Lake area. I'm a long time vocal advocate complaining about wilderness visitors that ignore and break policies. I just don't just occasionally complain in person at permitting offices but have also contacted managers with letters, out in the backcountry will tactfully approach groups that do so, will photo then scatter illegal fire rings. Of all the locations I've backpacked to, Pika Lake was one of the worst I've seen with a ridiculous number of obviously fresh fire rings, in some camp spots 3 or 4. Policy is no campfires in that zone of the John Muir Wilderness above 10,00 feet and the lake is at 10.5k. In considering what I've seen over decades I wondered who are these people?
Decades ago when campfire elevation limits first appeared, it was equestrian groups that were often blamed for various ills as it took a longer time for some of them to accept new environmental ethics. Eventually fewer from that era visited and considerate peer pressure from within that enthusiast group diminished such. Additionally many younger adults have always and always will tend to break rules and policies over anything more than older adults as that is part of rejecting status quos, growing up, and maturing. However that is not a license of immunity for criticism and within discussions looking for solutions is part of the process.
Although we may be able to point to young Millennials as a source of some issues, I would point to those in our older demographic that control policies as to why it is getting out of hand due to lack of adequate education and enforcement. And that is a result of all the rest of us not pressuring those in government to do something about it. All these wilderness issues are trivial compared to national and global issues our politicians deal with and worry about, so consequently tend to be ignored and unfunded. The cure for wilderness issues could be solved by simply increasing numbers of wilderness rangers and improving wilderness permitting processes. Reality in our society and culture is there are significant numbers of people that will not obey reasonable laws and policies unless they are faced with enforcement and the pain of penalties. Additionally it is peer pressure from within demographic groups that are most likely to influence like others.
We can say there are greater percentages of people in the deep south that are against gun control legislation or that too many teens e-vape or smoke cigarettes that are known facts. The issue is often when such is in conversation by ordinary people that in their terse zeal to argue points tend to over emphasize using phrases that indeed lump all of their target demographic as the same. Many people do so consistently especially when emotional and is a reason I tend to steer away from trying to discuss whatever with overly emotional people.
Earlier this month I backpacked from Mammoth Lakes in Inyo National Forest over Duck Pass to the Duck and Pika Lake area. I'm a long time vocal advocate complaining about wilderness visitors that ignore and break policies. I just don't just occasionally complain in person at permitting offices but have also contacted managers with letters, out in the backcountry will tactfully approach groups that do so, will photo then scatter illegal fire rings. Of all the locations I've backpacked to, Pika Lake was one of the worst I've seen with a ridiculous number of obviously fresh fire rings, in some camp spots 3 or 4. Policy is no campfires in that zone of the John Muir Wilderness above 10,00 feet and the lake is at 10.5k. In considering what I've seen over decades I wondered who are these people?
Decades ago when campfire elevation limits first appeared, it was equestrian groups that were often blamed for various ills as it took a longer time for some of them to accept new environmental ethics. Eventually fewer from that era visited and considerate peer pressure from within that enthusiast group diminished such. Additionally many younger adults have always and always will tend to break rules and policies over anything more than older adults as that is part of rejecting status quos, growing up, and maturing. However that is not a license of immunity for criticism and within discussions looking for solutions is part of the process.
Although we may be able to point to young Millennials as a source of some issues, I would point to those in our older demographic that control policies as to why it is getting out of hand due to lack of adequate education and enforcement. And that is a result of all the rest of us not pressuring those in government to do something about it. All these wilderness issues are trivial compared to national and global issues our politicians deal with and worry about, so consequently tend to be ignored and unfunded. The cure for wilderness issues could be solved by simply increasing numbers of wilderness rangers and improving wilderness permitting processes. Reality in our society and culture is there are significant numbers of people that will not obey reasonable laws and policies unless they are faced with enforcement and the pain of penalties. Additionally it is peer pressure from within demographic groups that are most likely to influence like others.