swiftdream
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Post by swiftdream on Sept 8, 2019 12:35:45 GMT -8
“The strength of the message is more important than the foibles of the messenger.” Interesting discussion and good to see the literary presence. Lots of writers have been outed for huge embellishments to outright lies. Paul Theroux in his book Deep South, during a short look at some writers, takes on H D Thoreau, praising his literary skills but taking umbrage with his embellishments. He really lays into Steinbeck. He also calls out Edward Abbey and a few others. My mother met Steinbeck and years later told me he was weird. Funny hearing her say that because that was the first time I heard her use that term. Sometimes so called non fiction contains far less truth than the some in the fiction genre. Some authors call their work fiction so they can tell what actually happened with no legal reprisals. But how often we see modern entities posture and gloat over deeds or “skills” and later a far different picture appears. The internet seems to exacerbate that. Some just follow the lemming trail. So it is correct to say it is the message, not the messenger.
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Post by bradmacmt on Sept 8, 2019 14:25:02 GMT -8
Since this is a backpack forum, I will say last August I read the biography, Walking Man: The Secret Life of Colin Fletcher written by Robert Wehman.
I was not clear what I thought I'd learn. Fletcher was the flame that lit my dry tinder in 1974 through The New Complete Walker to start backpacking. I've read all his books, and came away with a sense of a man in turmoil. Wehman's book confirmed this to the maximum. It doesn't diminish Fletcher's influence in my life, but it also causes me to realize all of us are broken, fallible people looking for the way back to Eden.
RIP Fletcher... your philosophy was sophomoric, but man you did write well on the merits of putting on a pack and walking out the back door!
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Post by johntpenca on Sept 8, 2019 17:25:49 GMT -8
Lots of writers have been outed for huge embellishments to outright lies. I heard a writer once said "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story".
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Post by rebeccad on Sept 8, 2019 20:37:19 GMT -8
My mom always said that “God is no respecter of persons,” meaning that a great talent could lie in an unpleasant person, and still be a great talent. She used Mozart as an example, but the same is no doubt true of some writers I have loved. Nor am I always interested in the critiques that point out all the embellishments in the kind of creative non-fiction that can be so inspiring. If I’m inspired, does it matter if the thing that sparks a flame in me is flawed?
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swiftdream
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Post by swiftdream on Sept 9, 2019 9:00:35 GMT -8
Lots of writers have been outed for huge embellishments to outright lies. I heard a writer once said "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story". While that is fine with speculative fiction where one is granted full license of imagination we are talking about essay in this thread. Paul Theroux, the author that Brad and I mentioned is known for his travel essays and he is both sharp and skeptical by nature. H D Thoreau as some of the other authors mentioned wrote essays, some with travel, some not. This is a genre where is is not wise to embellish one’s achievements or abilities, exaggerate circumstances or lie about where you went or how long you stayed there. The skill comes in how the travel essay or stay-put essay is observed, described and handled not how far the author can take our suspension of disbelief. I still like reading Thoreau and see his thinking as still relevant today.
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Post by RedDoug on Sept 11, 2019 21:44:06 GMT -8
I took a lot of literature classes in college. Thoreau was near the bottom of my favorites. I enjoyed the existentialists in the early 1900s. I read Waldon Pond, even visited the place, but from that era I preferred Hawthorne and Cooper to name two. But I suppose there is enough water in Waldon Pond to keep your boat afloat, as long as it wasn't too large of a boat.
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Post by johntpenca on Sept 12, 2019 13:12:00 GMT -8
While that is fine with speculative fiction where one is granted full license of imagination we are talking about essay in this thread. Paul Theroux, the author that Brad and I mentioned is known for his travel essays and he is both sharp and skeptical by nature. H D Thoreau as some of the other authors mentioned wrote essays, some with travel, some not. This is a genre where is is not wise to embellish one’s achievements or abilities, exaggerate circumstances or lie about where you went or how long you stayed there. The skill comes in how the travel essay or stay-put essay is observed, described and handled not how far the author can take our suspension of disbelief. Really? You don't think essayists take liberty with their work?
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