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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 22, 2019 13:32:29 GMT -8
Postscript to the above, I will go along with one train of thought that seems to be being espoused. Former AT hikers apparently (in my experience) expect the PCT to be as well catered to as the AT, which has some form of hostel, resupply or other amenity practically ever few miles, with a few exceptions. I really would prefer the PCT and CDT do not go down that road. The geography of the PCT will prevent that from totally happening (it’s been possible to hike the entire AT spending each night indoors should one have the money for a few years now), but “town services” are almost completely monetarized on the PCT as Hiker Heaven, Casa De Luna, and “Scout & Frodo’s” close. Then there’s the fun of doing business in primarily California. Big Bear has a hiker friendly hostel operating during ski and bike seasons as well, .. plus groups including scouts and schools. So it’s a money maker all year around. Getting drunk and/or stupid gets a guest tossed out. Where the trail crosses the 10 (“I-10”), Ziggy and the Bears’ operated until 2016, then Hillbilly until medical tragedy struck him, ... but it’s kind of tough maintaining a hostel between Palm Springs and outer San Berdoo. Maybe a campground also servicing Joshua Tree car-camp visitors? What’s really useful (but not required) is resupply/package pickup (usually for $5) and a not “superlong” shower ($3-5) .... even a (for pay) shuttle to the In n’Out, if desired.
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Post by johntpenca on Aug 22, 2019 16:09:20 GMT -8
The geography of the PCT will prevent that from totally happening Agreed. The trails in the west are not as congested with cities, towns, etc as the AT. What I'm trying to say is that there are differences in the mindset of thru hikers whose goal is making miles and reaching the border within the weather window and the casual backpacker out to submerse themselves in nature. Who here doesn't start thinking about a good meal and soft bed after several days on the trail? In the end, the actions of trail angels has no impact on the majority of us whatsoever, so it seems pointless to get bent out of shape over something that in the grand scheme of things means nothing.
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Post by Hungry Jack on Aug 23, 2019 8:51:39 GMT -8
The notion of attempting the PCT’s 2,600+ miles and relying significantly on the random acts of generosity of others is incomprehensible to me. It seems that once you are into the Sierra, service points are rare.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 23, 2019 8:58:29 GMT -8
On that note, I just came across an article today that illustrates taking trail magic to a whole new level ... "Morgan’s Diner might be the only eating establishment in the world that offers three meals a day, full-body massages, postal services, yard games, and a DJ—and doesn’t charge its customers a dollar. It only happens one weekend each summer in the middle of the woods somewhere along the Pacific Crest Trail. " linkI trust this is at a road crossing. Anywhere else, and I (at least as a shorter-distance hiker who is out there to enjoy the wilderness, not to get from Point A to Point B) would be really peeved to run across it, especially the DJ—i.e., loud music played where no music should be.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 23, 2019 9:11:53 GMT -8
The notion of attempting the PCT’s 2,600+ miles and relying significantly on the random acts of generosity of others is incomprehensible to me. It seems that once you are into the Sierra, service points are rare. In a normal year, there’s a lot of attrition “down south”. Many can’t take the desert heat, water carries, and rattlesnake encounters, including “snaps” and other close calls (though actual bites are very rare). There’s ample public transport options especially if with still ample savings. Then there’s injuries and finally for many of the remaining, money runs out in the Sierra. Kearsarge pass being the most beautiful, that and a Mt Whitney summit while still having some plane fare is the finale. On that note, I just came across an article today that illustrates taking trail magic to a whole new level ... ... linkI trust this is at a road crossing. Anywhere else, and I (at least as a shorter-distance hiker who is out there to enjoy the wilderness, not to get from Point A to Point B) would be really peeved to run across it, especially the DJ—i.e., loud music played where no music should be. Most is not pure wilderness actually but it’s pretty remote. Actual TA’s typically leave a cold cooler by a road intersection or put up a picnic again near a road. I don’t recall any with music as most are out there for several hours, wanting to hear hiking tales. Trying to find the “bubble” (largest # of hikers) and then appropriate food that keeps us challenging enough. ADD: There’s actually a rave town right on the PCT that irritates many thru/hikers tbh.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 23, 2019 10:32:06 GMT -8
The geography of the PCT will prevent that from totally happening Agreed. The trails in the west are not as congested with cities, towns, etc as the AT. What I'm trying to say is that there are differences in the mindset of thru hikers whose goal is making miles and reaching the border within the weather window and the casual backpacker out to submerse themselves in nature. Who here doesn't start thinking about a good meal and soft bed after several days on the trail? ..in the grand scheme of things means nothing. One thing about modern thru hikers is they really use that gear in various ways (ultralight mileage fiends, traditional packers, and even overpackers .. typically that years recipient of the trail name Kitchen Sink). Even weekenders can probably take notes on how durable (or not) an item is, can it be overloaded without breaking, what actually happens when using an ice axe after slipping on a steep ice field with a pack, etc..
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 23, 2019 12:51:14 GMT -8
Most is not pure wilderness actually but it’s pretty remote. Actual TA’s typically leave a cold cooler by a road intersection or put up a picnic again near a road. I don’t recall any with music as most are out there for several hours, wanting to hear hiking tales. I was responding to the specific event described by Nic, which listed a DJ among the amenities they were providing. Coolers left by the road are of course a big problem in many places as they are bear bait.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Aug 23, 2019 13:39:58 GMT -8
Most is not pure wilderness actually but it’s pretty remote. Actual TA’s typically leave a cold cooler by a road intersection or put up a picnic again near a road. I don’t recall any with music as most are out there for several hours, wanting to hear hiking tales. Coolers left by the road are of course a big problem in many places as they are bear bait. Not if they contain beer. Beer. Helping wildlife stay wild since the Middle Ages ... or Bronze Age .. or dawn of humanity. One of those eras without satellite television...
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Post by burntfoot on Sept 14, 2019 18:20:21 GMT -8
In June, I was talked into putting my name on the Shuttler List for the Colorado Trail, as all other locations on or near the trail had a few to several names, and Gunnison had none. I figured that since Gunnison is about 45 miles from the closest point on the trail that there would be few requests. I have been overwhelmed with requests for a pickup into town from the trail or a ride back out. When I did that trail, I never even considered Gunnison due to the distance, and have felt almost taken advantage of. I planned my resupply points to places closer to the trail, and then hitch-hiked to get there and back. As a teacher, it has been almost impossible to drive hikers. Marching band ramped up in early August, and school at the end of August, and most hikers were not able to go with my schedule, making me feel guilty. But, 3 times when I was planning a pickup after school, hikers caught a hitch-hike and let me know in time. But, one got a "quicker" ride and left me standing for awhile looking for her.
The worst, though, are the section hikers that want a lateral shuttle from one trailhead to another. That trail in this area does not lend itself to that, as the roads do not parallel the trail. Just last week, a guy wanted me to drive him and his friend and dog from Spring Creek Pass to highway 114 near Cochetopa Pass. He was meeting a friend there, were planning to hike to Spring Creek and wanted a ride back to their 2 cars. I said that since they had 2 cars, why didn't they meet at the stopping point, and then take 1 car back to the starting place. He said that it was a 6-hour round trip (which I knew), and he didn't want to make his friend do that. But, he was perfectly willing to ask a stranger to do that. Especially on a teacher's schedule.
Several years ago, I maintained a soda cooler near that highway 114 crossing and stocked it every 2 weeks. I had a trail log there that I asked hikers to sign in to, and a couple of black trash bags so that they could leave their extra weight behind. I stopped doing that 5 years or so ago. Hikers were trashing that area, and then not double-bagging the trail log in the zip-loc bags I provided during rainy season. In another forum that was used quite a bit back then with that trail I explained why I yanked the coolers. Instead of apologies, hikers jumped on me saying that I should just be a trail angel for the joy of it, regardless how they left that place.
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Post by whistlepunk on Sept 14, 2019 21:12:07 GMT -8
We were boondocking in our RV in one of our favorite spots, about 100 yards and a over slight rise from the PCT. Most hikers will walk on by and never know we are there. For some reason right at dusk a couple of hikers saw our lights and came over to investigate. As they approached I saw they were a man and a woman and I recognized the guy! It was somebody I worked with years ago. We caught up on each other's lives, offered them some cold beer (cheerfully accepted), and my wife offered to let them shower in our RV. I was surprised she offered, but shrugged and agreed. After explaining what a Navy shower was (mandatory in an RV -- get wet, water off, soap up, water on to rinse, then water off again. No lingering with the water running) they did so. They set up their tent next to our rig, and shared breakfast in the morning. They appreciated the fresh fruit and milk. Topped off their water supply, as the next 15 miles on the trail are dry. They went on their way. That was my own only time as a trail angel. Well almost -- I helped a guy fix a flat on his mountain bike on the PCT. I did not mention anything about bikes on the PCT thing. ((You mean PCT does not mean Perfect Cycling Trail? LOL) I pick my battles and bikes on the non-wilderness sections of the PCT is not one of them.
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Post by johntpenca on Sept 15, 2019 13:27:33 GMT -8
I never even considered Gunnison due to the distance, and have felt almost taken advantage of. The worst, though, are the section hikers that want a lateral shuttle from one trailhead to another. Now that sucks. Yes, that would discourage one from signing up for getting on a shuttler list. I agree you were being taken advantage of. I'd require hikers to pay corporate mileage rates for that long of a shuttle unless it was an unusual situation.
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